(8171)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 01
St: Local
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On February 20 I obtained a message addressed to me which John 
Buchanan had
posted in VIRUS_NFO on Dennis Ricketts' BRoKeDoWN PaLaCe BBS less 
than an hour
earlier ... February 19 in the USA.  I replied to the message in 
*this* echo
because I had no access to VIRUS_NFO.

During my February 21 CRiSnet mailpoll, VIRUS_NFO was automatically 
created on
my system.  At the same time I received a netmailed copy of John's 
message
from Michael Paris.

I wrote to John in VIRUS_NFO telling him that I had already replied 
in this
echo, telling him where I was coming from, offering him a peaceful 
(or at least
non-aggressive) relationship, and suggesting that he quit putting 
shit on me in
email.  I wasted my time.  John launched a campaign to convince the 
world that
I'm an unethical AVer ... a ripoff artist who has secret sinister 
liasons with
virus writers and groups ... an ex-biker thug who uses fear and 
extortion to
make money  from "snake oil".

I was quite prepared to do battle on this issue on a *serious* 
level, but the
thread instantly degenerated into a slanging match with John and 
his supporters
accusing me of homosexuality and suggesting I'm involved in 
drug-running, rape,
murder, etc.  I have no time for such childish bullshit, so I cut 
my feed and
decided to ignore him and his band of wankers.

After I dumped VIRUS_NFO the anti-Fewster brigade moved the thread 
into this
echo and the argument was extended to include Jeff Cook as a 
"fellow bad guy",
but there wasn't much being said, so I ignored it.  I thought the 
thread was
dying a natural death ... at least until last weekend when one of 
my users
uploaded a BlueWave packet of VIRUS_NFO messages from BRoKeDoWN 
PaLaCe.  Far
from dying a natural death, it seems these foul-mouthed geeks have 
little else
to talk about.

I've decided to crosszone the messages, together with some earlier 
ones I'd kept myself, into this echo.  I have *nothing* to hide, 
and it's time the lies
and filthy innuendo from the "NuKE '94" side of the fence were 
brought out into
the open so everyone can see these geeks for what they really are.

Read through them and decide for yourselves if I'm a homosexual 
rapist and a
drug pusher and a murderous outlaw biker and an unethical ripoff 
artist, and
whether the infamous ARiSToTLE is a sanctimonious knight in shining 
armor out
to save you all from being ripped off by the evil anti-virus 
bandits or just a
slimy hypocrite hiding behind legal loopholes and his "virus 
crusader" image
because he's too yellow-gutted to stand up and admit that he's 
nothing but a
common or garden variety virus-swapper.

rod fewster


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(8172)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 02
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Tue 15 Feb 94 15:14
By: rod fewster
To: Terry Goodman
Re: WHICH VIRUS TO USE?
St: Local Sent
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 > Your own line of work puts you in the situation of seeing 
first-hand
 > the catastrophic after-effects of stupid mistakes by corporate and
 > government PC Support personnel.  Please don't allow this to 
sour you
 > on the entire profession.  Honestly, we're not *all* idiots <g>.

I believe you.  :)

The problem is that it doesn't matter how "virus smart" you are, 
sooner or
later a virus will get away from you and run amok ... it's The 
Nature of The
Beast.

It's happened to me several times on my own test bench, and I doubt 
if there's
an AVer alive who can honestly say he's never had a virus go feral 
and bite him
on the backside.

As long as a "runaway" virus is contained in *my* environment it 
can't spread,
but if one escapes into an environment outside my control ......... 
????????



Theoretical scenario:

=====================================================================
=========

Friday afternoon ...

I take a collection of known nasties on a floppy to the head office 
of The Acme
Petrified Possum Dung Corporation so the resident "PC Support 
Professional" can
have himself a hands-on virus-fest.

At my insistence we're using a standalone machine in the conference 
room ...
isolated from every other computer in the building.

After several cups of coffee I go for a leak.  While I'm away the 
"PC Support
Professional" rats through my briefcase.

Bonus!

Not just one, but *two* floppies marked "VIRUS!" in large letters.

He quickly runs off copies and pockets them before I return.

We finish the "demo", and I personally wipe the HD to military 
specification
and format it before leaving the room.

The "PC Support Professional" takes the secretly-copied floppies 
home to
"further his studies" on the weekend.



Saturday morning ...

After he's finished playing "virus expert" on his shiny new 
company-supplied
486/66 the "PC Support Professional" deletes all the infected files 
in his test
directory, using Norton's WipeFile utility to make sure they can't 
be unerased.
(This guy thinks on his feet ... right ?)

What he doesn't know is that floppy #2 *isn't* just a virus demo 
disk ... it
holds a vicious currently-undetectable multipartite "sleeper" which 
drops its
payload after 100 boots ... a virus which I'd picked up from a hot 
site an hour
before I visited The Acme Petrified Possum Dung Corporation 
building.  This
virus has spread all over his system like a rash ... it's in 
memory, the FATs,
the MBR, the bootsector, command.com ... *everywhere*.

Later in the day he puts the finishing touches on a new menu he's 
been writing
to make life easier at the office.



Sunday morning ...

The "PC Support Professional" has a son who uses the computer to 
rip off a copy
of a great new 10-disk game one of his mates brings around.



Monday morning ...

The "PC Support Professional" installs his completed (and 
virus-infected) menu
on the company's network.  It runs like a dream.

His son takes his newly-pirated (and virus-infected) game to the 
university,
where he lends it to his good friend the ftp controller.  (The 
university is an
anonymous ftp site.)  The ftp controller virus-scans the disks (as 
per strict
university policy) before installing the game on the file server so 
he can play
it at lunchtime.



Monday afternoon ...

The CEO of The Acme Petrified Possum Dung Corporation is very 
impressed with
the new menu.  He contacts a local bulk-duplicating company.  
They're having a
quiet day, and they run off copies for him on the spot.  He assigns 
extra staff
to the mailroom so he can send a copy by overnight express to every 
branch in
the world ... all 2,500 of them.

The ftp controller routinely scans 300-odd new archives which 
arrived during
the weekend.  The scanner force-feeds the virus into every 
com/exe/bin/ovl in
every archive it checks.  He's satisfied that the archives are 
virus-free, so
he catalogs them and puts them online for worldwide download via 
the internet.
He has a private side deal going with a shareware CDROM publisher 
... 20 cents
an archive ... so he uses a free line to upload the new archives to 
the CDROM
publisher's BBS.



Tuesday morning ...

The bulk-duplicating company runs off 200,000 copies of the latest 
ApoSqueegee
arcade action game for a nationwide shareware distributor.  Every 
floppy is
infected.



Tuesday afternoon ...

The ftp controller scans (and infects) 135 newly-recieved archives, 
catalogs
them and puts them into the internet, then uploads them to his 
friendly CDROM
publisher.

The bulk-duplicating company runs off 750,000 copies of a computer 
magazine
"cover disk".  Every floppy is infected.



Three months later ...

The virus starts dropping its payload on thousands of corporate, 
government,
educational, and privately-owned computers all over the world.  It 
performs a
military specification wipe of the first 50 sectors of logical 
drives C: to Z:
(ignoring CDROMs and RAMdisks) and overwrites them with 
pseudo-random garbage.

Over the next few weeks, hundreds of "PC Support Professionals" in 
dozens of
countries discover to their horror that their precious stored 
information is
irretrievable without employing the services of an expensive data 
recovery
laboratory.  The collective retrieval costs run into millions of 
dollars.



Six months later ...

By using the virus' own inbuilt infection counter, US Secret 
Service Agents
gradually and methodically trace the source of the infection back 
to the head
office of The Acme Petrified Possum Dung Corporation.

They interview the resident "PC Support Professional" who tells 
them "We're not
responsible!  We'd never had a single virus on our computers until 
that bloody
Rod Fewster character from Thunderbyte brought a couple of floppy 
disks full of
them into the office!"


=====================================================================
=========


Who's gonna be crucifed as The Bad Guy ?

The "PC Support Professional" ?

........ or ME ?


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(8173)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 03
St: Local
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Sun 20 Feb 94  3:06
By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: Oh John ... you're such a JOHN!   [Part 1]
St: Local Sent
+--------------------------------------------------------------------
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While routinely vacuuming Cyberspace to see if anyone was taking my 
name in
vain I found this little gem to me from ARiSToTLE .......


 A> Date: Sat 19 Feb 94  06:28
 A> Path: 1:13/220
 A> Base: VIRUS_NFO
 A> From: Aristotle
 A> To  : Rod Fewster
 A> Re  : WHICH VIRUS TO USE?
 A> St  : Public Rcvd
 A> 
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 A> In case many of you all missed this tripe in ViRUS_iNFO, I have
 A> reposted it here...

Assuming most of you missed this tripe in VIRUS_NFO, I have 
reposted it here.

 A> ...and am natuarally going to reply :)

... and naturally *I'm* going to reply.

The quoted message is un-retouched apart from adding several EOL 
letters which
Mr Buchanan's braindead offline mail software chopped off.  
(Wouldn't you think
a programmer of his self-proclaimed brilliance would have helped 
the author out
by fixing this bug long ago ?)  However, I have taken the liberty 
of inserting
material from my original message which Mr Buchanan left out ... it 
puts what
I said in a somewhat different light to that indicated by the 
edited quoting
in his reply.


.......... [ Insert begins ]

 > Your own line of work puts you in the situation of seeing 
first-hand
 > the catastrophic after-effects of stupid mistakes by corporate and
 > government PC Support personnel.  Please don't allow this to 
sour you
 > on the entire profession.  Honestly, we're not *all* idiots <g>.

I believe you.  :)

The problem is that it doesn't matter how "virus smart" you are, 
sooner or
later a virus will get away from you and run amok ... it's The 
Nature of The
Beast.

It's happened to me several times on my own test bench, and I doubt 
if there's
an AVer alive who can honestly say he's never had a virus go feral 
and bite him
on the backside.

As long as a "runaway" virus is contained in *my* environment it 
can't spread,
but if one escapes into an environment outside my control ......... 
????????

Theoretical scenario:

.......... [ Insert ends ]


 > RF> I take a collection of known nasties on a floppy to the head 
office of
 > RF> The Acme Petrified Possum Dung Corporation so the resident 
"PC Support
 > RF> Professional" can have himself a hands-on virus-fest.

 A> Ok, so he's admittedly carrying viruses out that would not
 A> normally be in the wild?

Intelligent readers would realize that the "known nasties" were 
in-the-wild
viruses.

 A> Or is he carrying STONED ?  Uh-huh? There's a lot of "spook 
factor"
 A> in the wimpy viruses!

Wimpy ?  Stoned ?  Hahahahahahah!  You'll go blind if you keep it up!

Tell me, John ... how many viruses have *you* written which have 
been anywhere
near as "successful" as Stoned, and how many will regularly be the 
#1 reported
virus-of-the-month in five years' time ?

 A> Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit... If he's going to show some exec how well 
his
 A> "funkware" works, then he'll use some really hairy polymorphic
 A> COM/EXE/SYS/OVR/BMP/TXT infector, now won't he? Ask yourselves
 A> this question!

They're welcome to see how well my "funkware" works on live viruses 
... but on
*my* site ... not theirs!  (Unless their site is already *hot*, of 
course.)

 > RF> After several cups of coffee I go for a leak.  While I'm 
away the "PC
 > RF> Support Professional" rats through my briefcase.

 A> Like "all" people are crooks and thugs!

In this *theoretical* scenario the *theoretical* "PC Support 
Professional" is
not a crook or a thug, but he's not beyond a bit of "harmless" 
*theoretical*
skullduggery to "further his education" in the virus field.

 A> How so we know that RF's happy-ass isn't down the hall spreading
 A> viruses on a networked computer in order to push his crap!

That's an easy one ...

If I'd wanted to do that I would have taken you with me!

 A> Ok... Get the point!  Anyone can make the other look bad!

Some people can make *themselves* look bad without any help, John.

Your Magic Mirror quit telling you the truth a long time ago.

 > RF> The "PC Support Professional" has a son who uses the 
computer to rip
 > RF> off a copy of a great new 10-disk game one of his mates 
brings around.

 A> Damnation! Now the PC dude's family is a bunch of sorry 
low-lifes.

Everyone knows no *real* "PC Support Professional" would let his 
son pirate a
game ... right ? ... but this *theoretical" "PC Support 
Professional" did!

 A> Come on ROD, get real!

Real ?  This is a *theoretical* scenario.

Oops! ... I forgot ... you edited that bit out, didn't you ?

 A> Or is that why they call you a ROD?

Ever wondered why they call you a JOHN ?


.......... [ Insert begins ]

What he doesn't know is that floppy #2 *isn't* just a virus demo 
disk ... it
holds a vicious currently-undetectable multipartite "sleeper" which 
drops its
payload after 100 boots ... a virus which I'd picked up from a hot 
site an hour
before I visited The Acme Petrified Possum Dung Corporation 
building.  This
virus has spread all over his system like a rash ... it's in 
memory, the FATs,
the MBR, the bootsector, command.com ... *everywhere*.

.......... [ Insert ends ]


 > RF> His son takes his newly-pirated (and virus-infected) game to 
the
 > RF> university where he lends it to his good friend the ftp 
controller.
 > RF> (The university is an anonymous ftp site.)  The ftp 
controller virus-
 > RF> scans the disks (as per strict university policy) before 
installing
 > RF> the game on the file server so he can play it at lunchtime.

 A> Hmmmm, if they miss it here, then "Fewsterware" must be a 
suck-ass
 A> product!

Oh dear ... and you almost had me believing you when you said all 
*your* new
viruses were *undetectable* by "Fewsterware" or anything else.

 > RF> Monday afternoon ...
 > RF>
 > RF> The CEO of The Acme Petrified Possum Dung Corporation is 
very impressed
 > RF> with the new menu.  He contacts a local bulk-duplicating 
company.
 > RF> They're having a quiet day, and they run off copies for him 
on the
 > RF> spot.  He assigns extra staff to the mailroom so he can send 
a copy by
 > RF> overnight express to every branch in the world ... all 2,500 
of them.

 A> You mean the CEO didn't have anyone on staff with the 
intelligence
 A> to scan the master disks prior to making an assload of 
floppies? It
 A> sounds like they need EDUCATION moreso than software...

If you hadn't left out so much of my original message you would 
have seen that
it was a *theoretical* new and currently-undetectable virus.

 > RF> The ftp controller scans (and infects) 135 newly-recieved 
archives,
 > RF> catalogs them and puts them into the internet, then uploads 
them to
 > RF> his friendly CDROM publisher.
 > RF>
 > RF> The bulk-duplicating company runs off 750,000 copies of a 
computer
 > RF> magazine "cover disk".  Every floppy is infected.

 A> Every floppy is infected with what? The STONED virus? 
MICHAELANGELO?
 A> Even the lamest of AV funkware can find these? Why weren't they 
using
 A> one of them?

I repeat ... if you hadn't left out so much of the original message 
you would
have seen that it was a new and currently-undetectable virus.  (One 
of your
lesser-known works, perhaps ?)

 A> In the case of a new virus, how are ANY of you going to protect 
them?

Are you really thick in the head, or is it simply that you have 
difficulty
understanding the English language ?

If software was available which would protect 100% of computers 
against 100%
of viruses 100% of the time, no-one would bother writing viruses.

The whole point of my *theoretical* scenario was that the virus was 
*new and
currently-undetectable* and that the buck would inevitably stop at 
*me* even
though *I* wasn't responsible for turning it loose.



.......... [ Continued in Part 2 ]


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(8174)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 04
St: Local
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Sun 20 Feb 94  3:07
By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: Oh John ... you're such a JOHN!   [Part 2]
St: Local Sent
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.......... [ Continued from Part 1 ]


 A> Unless of course you all are going to make your "covert" rounds 
on
 A> all the VX boards to collect the latest and greatest.

Hahahahahah!  Yeah, I backdoor Black Axis every night looking for 
Pantera II,
but it's only four months old so I guess I should quit wasting my 
time and call
again in another six months ... and I call Hell Pit and Cybernetic 
Violence
three times a day.  (I tried logging on using your name so the 
SysOps wouldn't
know it was me but they must be using buggy BBS software ... every 
time I type
"ARiSToTLE" the software echoes "TWiT" and hangs up on me.)

 > RF> Three months later ...

 A> Nice time references here :)

I guess I'm lucky I didn't say "March 6" or you might have accused 
me of being
John McAfee.

 > RF> The virus starts dropping its payload on thousands of 
corporate,
 > RF> government, educational, and privately-owned computers all 
over the
 > RF> world.  It performs military specification wipe of the first 
50 sectors
 > RF> of logical drives C: to Z: (ignoring CDROMs and RAMdisks) 
and overwrites
 > them with pseudo-random garbage.

 A> Thousands ROD? Like how many and who? Give us some real 
statistical
 A> data that can be substantiated by independent reports and 
studies.

*Theoretical* thousands, John.  Read my lips ... "T H E O R E T I C 
A L".

 A> Also, if it is overwriting the first 50 sectors, then thousands 
of
 A> people aren't all going to be hit... How can it reproduce if it 
kills
 A> its host?

I guess I should have written my message in words of less than one 
syllable so
you could understand it.  (I'll type this one slowly to make it 
easier for you
to read.)

Follow the bouncing ball, John ... and if it goes too fast, bash 
your forehead
against the monitor to slow it down .........

1.  Most computers are booted once a day.
2.  The virus drops its payload after 100 boots.
3.  It starts killing its hosts about three months after infection.
4.  It doesn't care that it doesn't reproduce after it has killed 
its host.

 A> Giving a moments credit to your ASSUMPTION (blind shot in the 
dark),
 A> are you suggesting that unless people buy AV crapware, they are 
all
 A> destined to impending failure?

Not at all.  The message I was trying to get across was that, in my 
opinion, it
is irresponsible for an AVer to take live viruses to an outside 
site over which
he has less than 100% control.

If you read my original message again carefully ... preferably with 
both your
eyes open and your brain in gear ... you'll see that my 
*theoretical* ftp
controller scanned the pirated game disks with "AV crapware" and 
found nothing,
and that the virus piggybacked the "crapware" and infected every 
susceptible
file inside every archive he scanned.

 A> Again, I must coin a favorite Texan jargo,
 A> Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!

Is this why people call you a JOHN ?

Ah, so desu ka!  You Amellican's got funnee names!

 > RF> By using the virus' own inbuilt infection counter, US Secret 
Service
 > RF> Agents gradually and methodically trace the source of the 
infection
 > RF> back to the head office of The Acme Petrified Possum Dung 
Corporation.

 A> Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, I know better!  Methodical? Crap 
no... They
 A> get on the phone and call the virus boards an warez boards 
until they
 A> get a handle on who wrote it. Then they try to assertain 
whether or not
 A> the person who wrote it, did it with the intentions of what the 
outcome
 A> was. If not, then their job is over! Do you think they fools or
 A> something?

You mean all Cifford Stoll's hi-tech tracking stuff was fibs and 
they could
have caught Markus and Hagbard simply by calling your BBS and 
asking you to
look up their names and addresses in your userlist ?

 > RF> They interview the resident "PC Support Professional" who 
tells them
 > RF> "We're not responsible!  We'd never had a single virus on 
our computers
 > RF> until that bloody Rod Fewster character from Thunderbyte 
brought a
 > RF> couple of floppy disks full of them into the office!"

 A> Now you're catching on!  If you had gone there in the first 
place and
 A> offered to educate them on how to protect their points of 
entry, then
 A> this probably would not have occurred. Likewise, you did NOT 
need to
 A> take live viruses as you so tell everyone else...

You missed the point of my message completely.

I'll *never* take a live virus to an outside site unless I can 
*guarantee* that
I have 110% control of the site.

*This* is what I was telling everyone else!

 A> Strings would have been sufficient for the purpose of testing 
your
 A> funkware.

RABBI.GIF ?

 A> Oh, but would you have really carried a even a few undetectable
 A> viruses to show your product fail? Not hardly...

Now you're being completely irrational.

Even AVers who disagree with my personal view that taking live 
viruses to an
outside site is irresponsible and have the confidence in their own 
capabilities
(arrogance ?) to take the risk of doing so would be not be so 
stupid as to risk
taking an *undetectable* virus.

 A> So what it is your doing here is essentially writing a movie 
script
 A> for "The Virus That Ate Manhattan" and it doesn't even appear 
to be a
 A> good one at that!

I read somewhere that you're a highly-educated man with degrees in 
everything
from Astronomy to Zoology (or was that Gene Paris ?  I can't 
remember ... all
you round-eyed genius-IQ types look alike to us Orientals) so I 
guess if you
hadn't been too busy studying all this stuff you would know that 
exaggeration,
outrageous hypotheses, and over-emphasis are valid and acceptable 
literary
structures for getting a point across.

 A> Final words:

 A> Ignorant! Sheer ignorance for a person to appear in public with 
such
 A> a pretentious set of motives.

Oh John ... you're such a JOHN!

 A> |02AR|10iST|15oTLE
 A> |02N|10uK|15E|02'|1094

The above virus sig doesn't work, BTW.






















G'night Ma!






















G'night Pa!






















G'night John-boy!


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(8175)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 05
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Mon 21 Feb 94 18:18
By: rod fewster
To: ARiSToTLE
Re: WHICH VIRUS TO USE?
St: Local Sent
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 > In case many of you all missed this tripe in ViRUS_iNFO, I have 
reposted
 > it  here...

[ ... ]

Oi! John .......

I just received this message in a two-pronged attack from Mike 
Paris ... once
in this echo into which he's areafixed me, and a second copy in 
netmail.

Mike's a little behind the times mailwise ... I posted my reply in 
both VIRUS
and VIRUS_INFO on Saturday night.  I expect Edwin von Baseball Bat 
to have a
severe haemorrhoid attack over it because the mere mention of the 
names John
Buchanan and ARiSToTLE is off-topic in "his" echo, but he'll live.

I'll cc my reply to your message across to this echo shortly, "In 
case any of
you all miss this tripe in ... etc."



Just to put you in the picture, I'll tell you where I'm coming from 
......

Back in the 1960s I rode with the Hell's Angels.

Outlaw bikers and cops are traditional enemies.

Plenty of cops have had the shit kicked out of them by the Angels 
and plenty of
Angels have had the shit kicked out of them by the cops, but there 
were a few
bike cops who could walk into a bar out-of-uniform and drink with 
us without
having to worry about being stomped in the carpark when they left.  
1%ers and
*some* bike cops operate on the same wavelength ... just on 
slightly different
frequencies.

Now it's the 1990s, and I'm in the AV business.

AVers and virus writers are traditional enemies.

I guess I'm the virus world's equivalent of the bike cops who were 
cool with
the Angels.  Unlike most AVers, I get on OK with most virus 
writers/groups.  I
don't give away their secrets, if I'm given beta code or an 
experimental virus
on a "not to travel" basis it goes *nowhere*, and I don't put shit 
on them in
email.  All I expect in return is that *they* don't put shit on 
*me* in email.

You broke The Rules of The Game.

You put shit on me ... so I put a little bit (not much ... I think 
I was quite
restrained and polite under the circumstances) back on you.

Now you have to decide which way you want to play The Game.

If you want to continue living in a state of mutual non-aggression, 
that's OK
with me.

If you want to keep putting shit on me, that's OK too ... but don't 
mistake me
for a Sara Gordon or a John McAfee or some other toothless 
Cyberspace pussy ...
piss me off enough and I'm likely to bend you over and echofuck you 
until your
eyes pop out!

Your move, John.

rod

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(8176)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 06
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Wed 23 Feb 94 17:54
By: Aristotle
To: Rod Fewster
Re: WHICH VIRUS TO USE?
St: Rcvd
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RF> I posted my reply in both VIRUS
RF> and VIRUS_INFO on Saturday night.  I expect Edwin von Baseball 
Bat to have
RF> severe haemorrhoid attack over it because the mere mention of 
the names Joh
RF> Buchanan and ARiSToTLE is off-topic in "his" echo, but he'll 
live.

Undoubtedly! He is rather anal-retentive, isn't he....

RF> Just to put you in the picture, I'll tell you where I'm coming 
from ......
RF> Back in the 1960s I rode with the Hell's Angels.

Okay, I can deal!

RF> Outlaw bikers and cops are traditional enemies.

Yeah, wagging a blue bandana around one's armband does tend to 
ruffle their
feathers a tad!

RF> Plenty of cops have had the shit kicked out of them by the 
Angels and plent
RF> of Angels have had the shit kicked out of them by the cops, but 
there were
RF> few bike cops who could walk into a bar out-of-uniform and 
drink with us
RF> without having to worry about being stomped in the carpark when 
they left.
RF> 1%ers and *some* bike cops operate on the same wavelength ... 
just on
RF> slightly different frequencies.

Ok, so you're an ex-1%er... I've known a few. In groups, they're 
deadly - by
themselves, they are just like you and I.  You shared brewskis with 
a few
lawmen.  Who do I think worst of in this scenario?  You for 
drinking with the
law, or the law for drinking with you?  Has anyone the balls to 
make a stand
and fight for what they believe anymore? Have we all succumb to a 
woman's
panty-waist?


RF> Now it's the 1990s, and I'm in the AV business.


Wonderful, but does this entail feeding bullshit to the same folks 
to whom you
once lifted a mug to? Come on, Rod...  You and I both know the the 
scam on
this virus issue. I didn't fall of the turnip truck yesterday. 
Hopefully,
during the course of our discussions, we can exchange viewpoints 
without the
bullshit "for the audience" coming into the picture.


RF> I guess I'm the virus world's equivalent of the bike cops who 
were cool wi
RF> the Angels.

...and I guess I'm the general public's "Ralph Nader"!

RF> Unlike most AVers, I get on OK with most virus writers/groups.

Don't kid yourself, Rod. I talked to just about every one these 
guys over the
course of the last two years. I know who they are and what they 
actually
believe. There are those who WILL trade viruses and those who WILL 
NOT. Beyond
that, philosophical ideology is the only place where we disagree.


RF> I don't give away their secrets, if I'm given beta code or an 
experimental
RF> virus on a "not to travel" basis it goes *nowhere*, and I don't 
put shit on

Then, are you *truly* AV?

RF> them in email.  All I expect in return is that *they* don't put 
shit on *m
RF> in email.

Well Rod, it's like this - Don't dump shit on the general idiots in 
the world
who don't know better. Use that biker "patriotic pride" we hear so 
much about
and do something for the people and not your pocket. All of this 
"virus crap"
is a way to make money. Change your approach in the manner by which 
you
explain the situation of viruses and then perhaps I'll lift that 
mug with you
someday, but until then, I can't sell myself out to behind the scenes
obsequity for the sake of my "good name" being attacked in a Fido 
echo.

RF> If you want to continue living in a state of mutual 
non-aggression, that's
RF> with me.

This I can do, but understand this - I disagree with your and other 
AVers
methods of informing the public and because of this, I will attack 
your words.
Henceforth, but if acceptable to you, I will refrain from any 
personal
comments and ennuendos, and stick soley with the subject of your 
statement.

RF> If you want to keep putting shit on me, that's OK too ... but 
don't mistake
RF> me for a Sara Gordon or a John McAfee or some other toothless 
Cyberspace
RF> pussy ... piss me off enough and I'm likely to bend you over 
and echofuck y
RF> until your eyes pop out!

heh, BE YOU NOT DECEIVED, ROD... I'm no pimply faced, four-eyed 
little faggot
behind the keyboard either! If you want to take me on head to head 
in some on
going Email war, then fire your best shot! There is nothing I have 
to hide
from anyone, and if there is, then I am damn sure big enough to 
take it!

RF> Your move, John.

Heh, you really want me to? Machismo and Fido-Karate do not 
intimidate me,
Rod. If you care to discuss this in here versus the *other* areas, 
then let's
rock! If you have the money and the inclination, here's my voice 
number...
(804)595-2672 - Use it... Tell me what's on your mind before you 
nut up and do
something ignorant based on a hunch of what I am all about!

ARiSToTLE

ps... I *do* appreciate you having the cods to reply in this echo! 
I look
forward to future path-crossing...

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By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 07
St: Local
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Thu 24 Feb 94 20:32
By: rod fewster
To: Aristotle
Re: WHICH VIRUS TO USE?
St: Local Sent
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Oi! John ......

 > RF> I expect Edwin von Baseball Bat to have severe haemorrhoid 
attack
 > RF> over it because the mere mention of the names John Buchanan 
and
 > RF> ARiSToTLE is off-topic in "his" echo, but he'll live.

 > Undoubtedly! He is rather anal-retentive, isn't he....

Ah well ... it takes all kinds to make the world.  :)

 > You shared brewskis with a few lawmen.  Who do I think worst of 
in this
 > scenario?  You for drinking with the law, or the law for 
drinking with
 > you?

Those guys were *bikers* first and *cops* second.  You'd need to be 
part of it
to understand what it was all about.

 > Wonderful, but does this entail feeding bullshit to the same 
folks to
 > whom you once lifted a mug to? Come on, Rod...  You and I both 
know the
 > the scam on this virus issue.

Sure, there's scam and hype in the anti-virus world just as there's 
scam and
hype in every other facet of life, but we're not *all* ripoff 
artists.  Have
you seen *me* warning people that their computers will 
self-destruct next week
if they don't throw fistfuls of money at me ?

You try to convince people that there's NO "virus threat".  I 
haven't figured
out whether this is part of your own secret agenda or if you really 
don't have
a clue what's happening around you, but whichever, you're talking 
through your
arse.  What you read in the media is only the tip of the iceberg.  
For every
mass infection which makes the headlines there are dozens which are 
gagged by
non-disclosure and confidentiality agreements.

 > ...and I guess I'm the general public's "Ralph Nader"!

You must be psychic.  I replied to one of your messages a coupla 
days ago kinda
needling you a bit and asking you if you're the born-again Ralph 
Nader of the
virus world, but I didn't pack it ... I held on to it until I saw 
which way you
were going to jump.

 > RF> Unlike most AVers, I get on OK with most virus writers/groups.

 > Don't kid yourself, Rod. I talked to just about every one these 
guys
 > over the course of the last two years. I know who they are and 
what
 > they actually believe.

If you say so.

 > RF> I don't give away their secrets, if I'm given beta code or an
 > RF> experimental virus on a "not to travel" basis it goes 
*nowhere*,
 > RF> and I don't put shit on them in email.  All I expect in 
return is
 > RF> that *they* don't put shit on *me* in email.

 > Then, are you *truly* AV?

You seem to be looking at me in black-and-white ... as less than 
100% AV
because I "talk to the enemy".  Not so!  Ignoring you guys or 
putting email
shit on you won't make you go away or quit writing viruses, and 
talking to you
sensibly and rationally isn't going to make people think I'm 
secretly pro-virus
... unless they're total dickheads.

If a guy gives me a pre-release peek at NuKE's latest prototype 
virus on the
strength of my word that it won't travel and its sig is included in 
the next
TBScan, do you think he'll keep giving me stuff to look at ... or 
will he write
me off as a lying sneak whose word is worthless ?

I don't see any conflict of interest here, BTW.  If I broke my word 
and passed
on something which was given to me on a "not to travel" basis I'd 
only get away
with it once.  I'd not only lose that contact but I'd also lose a 
lot of others
when word got around that I'd backstabbed him.  Would it be worth 
it for the
sake of getting the jump on *one* virus ... a virus which may never 
see the
light of day anyway ?

I'm *truly* AV ... but I'm not stupid!

 > Well Rod, it's like this - Don't dump shit on the general idiots 
in the
 > world who don't know better. Use that biker "patriotic pride" we 
hear so
 > much about and do something for the people and not your pocket.

What am I ... the Salvation Army ?  :)

 > All of this "virus crap" is a way to make money.

Of course it's a way to make money ... but in my case (and I 
believe this also
applies to Frans, or I would never have taken on the Australasian 
distribution
of Thunderbyte products) it's a *legitimate* way to make money.

I'm not a doom-and-gloomer predicting certain death and destruction 
to frighten
Joe Average Computer User so he'll throw his wallet at me ... I'm 
offering what
I believe to be the best product of its kind at a price most people 
can afford,
and I think it's good value-for-money.  (How much VALUE is there in 
a $250 AV
package which detects maybe 80% of known viruses and has to be 
updated every
three months at twenty bucks a pop if you want it to continue 
detecting 80% ?
THAT'S what I'd call a scam!)

Just this afternoon I spent over an hour disinfecting an old 286 
and setting it
up again ... FOR FREE!  The owner was in deep shit and she didn't 
have a clue
how to get herself out of it, she'd made things a lot worse by 
running a hacked
and virus-infected copy of Scan over the hard drive, and she 
couldn't afford to
pay anyone for help.  Right now you're probably thinking I had a 
selfish motive
for helping her because (a) now she has a shareware TBAV installed 
and when she
gets back on her feet financially she might register it, (b) she 
might tell her
friends I'm a Good Guy, (what would she have told them if I'd told 
her to piss
off and come back later when she could afford to pay me ?), (c) her 
kids might
tell their teachers and friends at high school and university that 
the guy from
Thunderbyte helped them out and retrieved their lost assignments, 
and so on ...
but you're wrong.  If any or all of this happens it will be a bonus 
... but it
wasn't the reason I helped her out.  I don't plan on becoming the 
Jesus Christ
of the AV world and running around helping the poor at no charge as 
a way of
life ... but the day I refuse to help a widow who's struggling to 
bring up
three teenagers and can't afford to pay my usual extortionate fees 
is the day I
eat my gun!

Sure, AVing is a way to make money ... but life's not *all* about 
money.

 > Change your approach in the manner by which you explain the 
situation of
 > viruses and then perhaps I'll lift that mug with you someday, 
but until
 > then, I can't sell myself out to behind the scenes obsequity for 
the sake
 > of my "good name" being attacked in a Fido echo.

If you'd read my last few messages with your eyes open you would 
have seen that
my "explaining the situation of viruses" was actually a potshot at 
people who
think they're so bulletproof they can play around with live viruses 
on outside
sites.  Nobody is *that* bulletproof.  Not me.  Not you.  Not John 
McAfee.
NOBODY!  If a "virus expert" brought live viruses into my office to 
demo his
products at the invitation of my computer security chief I'd throw 
them both
head-first down the elevator shaft!

 > RF> If you want to continue living in a state of mutual 
non-aggression,
 > RF> that's OK with me.

 > This I can do, but understand this - I disagree with your and 
other AVers
 > methods of informing the public and because of this, I will 
attack your
 > words.

Just make sure you *understand* what I say before attacking or you 
might step
on your dick again.  :)

 > Henceforth, but if acceptable to you, I will refrain from any 
personal
 > comments and ennuendos, and stick soley with the subject of your 
statement.

Calling TBAV "shit" and "crapware" when you and I both know it's 
the best AV
package available is pretty pointless.  All it does is make you 
look like a
lamer with an axe to grind.

That may sound hypocritical when you consider that I've criticized 
McAfee over
several issues in the past ... the useless "sanity checks" which 
allow Scan to
be so easily hacked and infected, how Scan mis-identifies viruses 
(like tagging
No Frills as Feist, for instance) so that users trash files beyond 
repair with
Clean while trying to disinfect them, the (irresponsible, in my 
opinion) way
they handled the Clean v100 programming cockup (smack in the middle 
of the last
"Michelangelo_is_waiting_to_destroy_the_world" scare) which trashed 
hard drives
to a degree where data recovery was beyond the capability of most 
computer
users, etc ... but in *every* instance my criticisms were 100% 
valid and based
on fact ... I didn't just come out and call McAfee's products 
"crapware" simply
because they exist.

(I don't pass many comments about "opposition" software these days. 
 Even if my
criticisms are factual and backed up by hard evidence my vested 
interest in
Thunderbyte would make my impartiality and objectivity appear 
"questionable" to
those who don't know me very well.)

 > heh, BE YOU NOT DECEIVED, ROD... I'm no pimply faced, four-eyed 
little
 > faggot behind the keyboard either!

You MUST be psychic! ... in the previously-mentioned unsent message 
I used the
words "pimply-faced teenager" too.  :)

 > If you have the money and the inclination, here's my voice 
number...
 > (804)595-2672 - Use it...

At a buck-fifty a minute ?

Aargh!

Count me out of that one unless you take collect calls.  :)

 > Tell me what's on your mind before you nut up and do something
 > ignorant based on a hunch of what I am all about!

I *did* tell you what was on my mind.

Like I said earlier, I didn't pack and send the shit-throwing reply 
because I
wanted to see which way you were gonna jump.  I was an old-timer in 
Cyberspace
when Bill Gates bought his first modem ... I'm not a fidonet newbie 
who goes
off at half-cock and starts an echowar which could have been 
avoided with a bit
of common sense.

 > ps... I *do* appreciate you having the cods to reply in this echo!

:)

I hope the echo doesn't get too big or too full of kiddiechat and 
senseless
drivel ... the cost of the OS calls to collect it is a limiting 
factor.

 > I look forward to future path-crossing...

No doubt they will.

I'm glad we settled our differences before things got too far out 
of hand.

rod


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(8178)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 08
St: Local
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Thu 24 Feb 94  5:37
By: Aristotle
To: Rod Fewster
Re: Ethics
St: Rcvd
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Rod,

After reading your reply in the virus_info *after* reading your 
message in
here, I've made my decision on your offer of peaceful co-existance.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Have you ever heard the word "SMARMY"? It has a 
great deal to
do with ethics and a state of being. I feel good about what I do 
because I
know that, right or wrong, I am making a stand for something that I 
believe
in. You on the other hand..., well Rod, whores only sell their 
snatch for
money, you sell your soul! Live with it dude, but don't try to 
lower me to
*your* standards!

Why don't you repost your letter to me in the virus_info or virus 
echo? Do you
think your constituency would approve? How would Franz take it that 
your
wanting to rub elbows with the underground, because "..inspite of the
differences that set us apart, weez kewl...", - Dude, I sure hope 
nobody
captures all these messages and sticks them all over the Fido or 
your going to
look really silly...

Later daze, Rod!

|02AR|10iST|15oTLE
|02N|10uK|15E|02'|1094

btw dickweed, if you run something besides an antiquated BBS 
software, you'd
recognize pipe codes and know that they DO work. I read your little 
comment
and wondered to myself how many people running TAG, Renegade, Vision,
Telegard, etc,... saw that response and laughed at you!

So here, take a few extra to play with...

|02AR|10iST|15oTLE
|02N|10uK|15E|02'|1094
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...and they're free too!

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(8179)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 09
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Sat 26 Feb 94  0:05
By: rod fewster
To: Aristotle
Re: Ethics
St: Local Sent
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 > After reading your reply in the virus_info *after* reading your 
message
 > in here, I've made my decision on your offer of peaceful 
co-existance.

Looks like you made the wrong one ... but shit happens.

 > I feel good about what I do because I know that, right or wrong, 
I am
 > making a stand for something that I believe in.

Do you often quote Eugene TerreBlanche ?

 > You on the other hand..., well Rod, whores only sell their 
snatch for
 > money, you sell your soul! Live with it dude, but don't try to 
lower
 > me to *your* standards!

Kinda hard for me to defy gravity and lower you upwards.

 > Why don't you repost your letter to me in the virus_info or 
virus echo?

No need ... I expect you'll do it.

 > Do you think your constituency would approve? How would Franz 
take it
 > that your wanting to rub elbows with the underground, because 
"..inspite
 > of the differences that set us apart, weez kewl...", -

I'm sure Frans has enough intelligence to not make the same 
misinterpretation
of my motives as you have.

 > Dude, I sure hope nobody captures all these messages and sticks 
them
 > all over the Fido or your going to look really silly...

Throwing hints to your puppets to do your childish dirty work for 
you ?

 > |02AR|10iST|15oTLE
 > |02N|10uK|15E|02'|1094

 > btw dickweed, if you run something besides an antiquated BBS 
software,
 > you'd recognize pipe codes and know that they DO work.

If you ran something besides an atrophied brain you'd recognize 
humor.

 > I read your little comment and wondered to myself how many people
 > running TAG, Renegade, Vision, Telegard, etc,... saw that response
 > and laughed at you!

That would depend on how many gibbering idiots run TAG, Renegade, 
Vision,
Telegard, etc.  Intelligent readers would recognize it for what it 
was.

 > So here, take a few extra to play with...

 > |02AR|10iST|15oTLE
 > |02N|10uK|15E|02'|1094
 > |02AR|10iST|15oTLE
 > |02N|10uK|15E|02'|1094
 > |02AR|10iST|15oTLE
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 > |02AR|10iST|15oTLE
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 > ...and they're free too!

They don't work either.

When I offered peaceful co-existence I thought I was dealing with a 
MAN, but
you got all miffed and squirrelly and bent out of shape because I 
gave you a
tiny little stitch-up and now you're acting like a snotnose and 
threatening to
expose me as A Traitor to The AV Cause or whatever it is you think 
I am by
crosszoning my messages to fidonet.  Childish, John.  *Very* 
childish!  What
next ... a moderator warning that you'll to cut my feed if I don't 
kiss your
arse and be a good boy ?

Want to reconsider your options, or are you happy to run with your 
decision ?
It makes little difference to me either way ... I don't want to 
download your
marvellous virus collection or take long hot showers with you or 
marry your kid
sister, and echofucking you ain't gonna be no big thing to me ... 
but you seem
to have collected enough enemies in NuKE and elsewhere over the 
past few months
to last you for life without adding me to your list.

rod


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By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 10
St: Local
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Wed 23 Feb 94  1:53
By: rod fewster
To: Aristotle
Re: ARiSToTLE: VirusGod ... or just another ego-tripping wanker ?
St: Local Sent
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 > Gee Mr. Fewster, would you mind supplying us a list of the 
"viruses in the
 > wild".  I am curious about which ones these really are? What 
constitutes
 > being "in the wild" ? Who set these standards? Do all AV 
companies agree
 > on the same figures with regard to the "wild viruses"?

You're the self-proclaimed VirusGod ... you tell me.

 > Whoah, and I bet your "suite" is no where near mine

No ... it's *much* bigger.  Try weeding out all your rubbish before 
you let
your ego get too far out of control.

Why don't you get off this childish "I've got the world's *biggest* 
and *best*
virus collection!" kick you're on ?

Sure, you've got a *big* collection ... but "the world's *biggest* 
and *best*
virus collection" ?  That's BULLSHIT! ... and everyone outside your 
own little
circle of sycophants and starry-eyed ARiSToTLE-worshipping 
lickspittles *knows*
it's bullshit and laughs at you every time you say it.  My virus 
suite makes
your collection look piss-weak and amateurish ... and *I* don't 
profess to have
anywhere near "the world's *biggest* and *best*."

Your "My dick's bigger than yours!" mentality has turned you into a 
legend in
your own mind.

 > HAHAHAHAHAHA!  Crap! Sheer Crap...  There are viruses that scate 
right
 > past Thunderbyte's "Wonderful Heuristics" mode. Most of them are 
the
 > chessy overwriting viruses, but they work. Stop painting the 
picture of
 > TBScan being something that it isn't. A Ferrari compared to a 
Volkswagon.
 > .. Come on!

I don't recall claiming that TBScan detects every virus ever 
written, and I
think I was fairly generous with my analogy ... TBScan has about as 
much in
common with *some* scanners as a Ferrari has with a skateboard.

Tell me, John ... how many of *your* viruses (not those you 
"co-wrote" with
Rock Steady or Nowhere Man or your woolly-headed old Uncle Rastus 
from Selma
Alabama ... those *you* wrote yourself using *your own* programming 
skills and
your own *original* code) get past TBScan ?

Duuuuuh! ............ how do you spell "NONE" ?

You come across at various times as a misunderstood paladin on a 
Mission from
God to bring True Virus Enlightenment to the world of computing, a 
Coder from
Hell whose virus knowledge far exceeds that of the combined 
knowledge of every
virus-writer and anti-virus programmer alive today, and an Urban 
CyberHero who
selflessly spends every waking (or should that be "wanking" ?) 
moment trying to
protect Joe Average Computer User from The Evil AV Hordes who are 
secretly
plotting to rape and pillage his wallet.

In contrast, I've heard you referred to by unkind people as "The 
Mouth of The
South" and "AriSNOTnose", and it's been whispered in the Virus 
Underground by
those who claim to know about such things that you've never beem 
the VirusGod
you claim to be, that you've always been a wannabe who couldn't 
make it on his
own, and that in real life you're nothing but a VX lamer shitbird 
hanging off
NuKE's shirt-tails and scavenging dropped turds of their reputaion 
with your
trusty little Pooper-Scooper.

Which is the *real* ARiSToTLE ?

Are you the born-again Ralph Nader of The Virus World ... the 
SuperCoder whose
very name strikes fear into the hearts of AVers everywhere ... or 
are you just
another pimply-faced teenaged virus-spreading wanker at heart, 
trapped in an
aging body, leeching a cheap hard-on from the fame of others ?

Show me your credentials, John.  Let me see what you've got to back 
up your
self-nomination for the Virus Oscar.

 > Rod, you must be a red-headed stepchild! You basic "being" is 
annoying!

I have a low threshold of tolerance for childish petulance, John.

If you expect me to continue replying to your messages ... grow up!


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By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 11
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Sat 26 Feb 94  7:38
By: Aristotle
To: Rod Fewster
Re: Ethics
St: Rcvd
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 > I feel good about what I do because I know that, right or wrong, 
I am
 > making a stand for something that I believe in.

RF> Do you often quote Eugene TerreBlanche ?

Twice now you have said I was clairavoyant - Could it not be that 
whoever
"Eugene Terreblanche" is, he and I think alike?

RF> When I offered peaceful co-existence I thought I was dealing 
with a MAN, bu
RF> you got all miffed and squirrelly and bent out of shape because 
I gave you
RF> tiny little stitch-up and now you're acting like a snotnose and 
threatening
RF> to expose me as A Traitor to The AV Cause or whatever it is you 
think I am
RF> crosszoning my messages to fidonet.  Childish, John.  *Very* 
childish!  Wha


The *man* issue is a moot point since my biological state of being 
defines
this already! In response to your rationalizations of my actions 
being
childish - I don't subscribe to *your* definitions of how a man 
should act,
therefore, you are merely throwing stones to make up the difference 
where you
lack having plausible vocabulary.

RF> Want to reconsider your options, or are you happy to run with 
your decision
RF> It makes little difference to me either way ... I don't want to 
download yo
RF> marvellous virus collection or take long hot showers with you 
or marry your
RF> kid sister, and echofucking you ain't gonna be no big thing to 
me ... but y
RF> seem to have collected enough enemies in NuKE and elsewhere 
over the past f
RF> months to last you for life without adding me to your list.

I don't need to reconsider my decisions as I am confident in my 
ability to
make the correct choices in life, and man enough to suffer whatever
consequences may befall me because of them.


Enemies in NuKE - I am in sheer terror at the thought of this... 
and now I am
supposed to add you to the list :)

|02AR|10iST|15oTLE
|02N|10uK|15E|02'|1094

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Re: 12
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Sun 27 Feb 94 10:42
By: rod fewster
To: Aristotle
Re: Ethics
St: Local Sent
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 >> I feel good about what I do because I know that, right or 
wrong, I am
 >> making a stand for something that I believe in.

 > RF> Do you often quote Eugene TerreBlanche ?

 > Twice now you have said I was clairavoyant - Could it not be that
 > whoever "Eugene Terreblanche" is, he and I think alike?

I rest my case.

 > RF> When I offered peaceful co-existence I thought I was dealing 
with a MAN,

 > The *man* issue is a moot point since my biological state of 
being defines
 > this already!

Being a MAN has nothing to do with your *biological* state.

 > RF> Want to reconsider your options, or are you happy to run 
with your
 > RF> decision

 > I don't need to reconsider my decisions as I am confident in my 
ability
 > to make the correct choices in life, and man enough to suffer 
whatever
 > consequences may befall me because of them.

Suits me.

 > Enemies in NuKE - I am in sheer terror at the thought of this... 
and now
 > I am supposed to add you to the list :)

You just did.

Fire in the hole! .... "DUDE".


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By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 13
St: Local
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Sat 26 Feb 94  7:47
By: Aristotle
To: Rod Fewster
Re: WHICH VIRUS TO USE?
St: Rcvd
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RF> Those guys were *bikers* first and *cops* second.  You'd need 
to be part of
RF> it to understand what it was all about.

No dude... If you're not one way, all the way, then you're nothing! 
That's
the problem with society today. We change hats too often!

RF> Sure, there's scam and hype in the anti-virus world just as 
there's scam an
RF> hype in every other facet of life, but we're not *all* ripoff 
artists.  Hav
RF> you seen *me* warning people that their computers will 
self-destruct next
RF> week if they don't throw fistfuls of money at me ?

You have admitted to that which I set out to prove. Take this to 
the public
and then rebuild your approach. THEN, we'll talk about where to go 
from here.

RF> You try to convince people that there's NO "virus threat".  I 
haven't figur
RF> out whether this is part of your own secret agenda or if you 
really don't
RF> have a clue what's happening around you, but whichever, you're 
talking
RF> through your arse.  What you read in the media is only the tip 
of the
RF> iceberg.  For every mass infection which makes the headlines 
there are doze
RF> which are gagged by non-disclosure and confidentiality 
agreements.

I've done quite well and the AV knows this. By their own words and 
statistics,
they have proven this to be true...  Read for yourself!


[FROM COMP.VIRUS]

Date: 02-12-94 (05:07)              Number: 3206 of 3219 (Refer# 
NONE)
  To: ALL
From: 0004886415@mcimail.com, JOE WELLS
Subj: WildList for February 1994
Read: (N/A)                         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Conf: uVirus (349)               Read Type: GENERAL (+)

Newsgroups: comp.virus
From:    Joe Wells <0004886415@mcimail.com>
Subject: WildList for February 1994
Message-ID: <0028.9402111249.AA21498@bull-run.ims.disa.mil>
Date:    Wed, 02 Feb 94 03:08:40 -0500

This article split by uuPCB: Part # 1 of 2

Newsgroups: comp.virus
From:    Joe Wells <0004886415@mcimail.com>
Subject: WildList for February 1994
Message-ID: <0028.9402111249.AA21498@bull-run.ims.disa.mil>
Date:    Wed, 02 Feb 94 03:08:40 -0500


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PC Viruses in the Wild - February 1, 1994
=====================================================================
=======
This is a cooperative listing of viruses reported as being in the 
wild
by 16 virus information professionals. The basis for these reports 
are
virus incidents where a sample was received, and positively 
identified
by the participant.  Rumors and unverified reports have been 
excluded.

The list should not be considered a list of "currently common" 
viruses
however. No provision is made for commonness. A currency basis for 
the
list has been set. Reports date from September of 1992 to the 
present.

This data indicates only "which" viruses have been found in the wild.
=====================================================================
=======
The section below gives the names of participants, along with their
organization, antivirus product (if any), and geographic location.

Key Participant            Organization      Product        Location
=====================================================================
=======
As  Alan Solomon           S&S Int'l         Toolkit        UK
Dc  Dave Chess             IBM               IBM AntiVirus  USA
Ek  Eugene Kaspersky       KAMI              AVP            Russia
Fb  Fernando Bonsembiante  Virus Report      None           Argentina
Fs  Fridrik Skulason       Frisk Int'l       F-Prot         Iceland
Gj  Glenn Jordan           Datawatch         VirexPC        USA
Jw  Joe Wells              Symantec          NAV            USA
Pd  Paul Ducklin           CSIR Virus Lab    None           So Africa
Pp  Padgett Peterson       Hobbyist          DiskSecure     USA
Rf  Richard Ford           Virus Bulletin    None           UK
Rh  Richard Head           Jade Corp         None           Japan
Rr  Roger Riordan          CYBEC             VET            Australia
Sg  Shimon Gruper          EliaShim          ViruSafe       Israel
Vb  Vesselin Bontchev      U of Hamburg      None           Germany
Ws  Wolfgang Stiller       Stiller Research  Integ Master   USA
Yr  Yuval Rakavi           BRM               Untouchable    Israel


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(8184)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 14
St: Local
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Sun 27 Feb 94 11:58
By: rod fewster
To: Aristotle
Re: WHICH VIRUS TO USE?
St: Local Sent
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 > RF> Those guys were *bikers* first and *cops* second.  You'd 
need to be part
 > RF> of it to understand what it was all about.

 > If you're not one way, all the way, then you're nothing!

Baruch Goldstein was probably thinking those very words just before 
he opened
fire.

 > RF> Sure, there's scam and hype in the anti-virus world just as 
there's
 > RF> scam and hype in every other facet of life, but we're not 
*all* ripoff
 > RF> artists.  Have you seen *me* warning people that their 
computers will
 > RF> self-destruct next week if they don't throw fistfuls of 
money at me ?

 > You have admitted to that which I set out to prove.

You have an uncanny ability to find meanings in my words which are 
completely
hidden from more literate readers.

 > Take this to the public and then rebuild your approach. THEN, 
we'll talk
 > about where to go from here.

Let's take the whole box and dice to the public ... in VIRUS_INFO.

You've already fired your first shots with your childish ETHICS.ZIP 
strategy
and your feebly-disguised attempt in this echo to get your little 
toadies to
crosszone my messages into fidonet.  If you think I'm going to sit 
back and let
you make me look like a secret supporter of The Black Axis Virus 
Supermarket by
selectively quoting my words out-of-context and applying your own 
warped
interpretations to them, you've got another think coming.

I've got *nothing* to hide!

 > RF> You try to convince people that there's NO "virus threat".  
I haven't
 > RF> figured out whether this is part of your own secret agenda 
or if you
 > RF> really don't have a clue what's happening around you, but 
whichever,
 > RF> you're talking through your arse.

 > I've done quite well and the AV knows this. By their own words and
 > statistics, they have proven this to be true...  Read for 
yourself!

I did.

Now read this again:

 > The list should not be considered a list of "currently common" 
viruses
 > however. No provision is made for commonness. A currency basis 
for the
 > list has been set. Reports date from September of 1992 to the 
present.

I'm not one of your KEwL d0Od sycophants who accepts every word you 
utter as
gospel.  I *understand* The Written Word ... I'm not sucked in by 
*your*
twisted interpretations and convenient omissions.

Practically every time you open your mouth you step on your dick!  
Let's not
keep it a secret in your little echo any longer ... let's take it 
PUBLIC!


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By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 15
St: Local
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Sat 26 Feb 94  7:50
By: Aristotle
To: Rod Fewster
Re: cont...
St: Rcvd
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=====================================================================
=======
The first chart is based on two or more participants reporting a 
virus.
Therefore, these viruses are probably more geographically scattered.

CARO Name of Virus        AsDcEkFbFsGjJwPdPpRfRhRrSgVbWsYr  Alias(es)
=====================================================================
=======
AntiEXE..................| . . . . x . x . . . . . . x . x | D3
Athens...................| . . . . x . x . . . . . . . . . | 
Trajector
Barrotes.A...............| x . . . . . x x . . . . . . . . | Barrotos
Brasil...................| . . . . . . x . x . . . . . . . |
Butterfly................| . . . . . . x . . . . . . x . x |
Cascade.1701.A...........| x x . x x . . . . x x . x x . . | 1701
Cascade.1704.A...........| x x x . x . x . . . . . x . . x | 1704
Changsha.................| . . . . . . x . . . x x . . . . | Centry
Chinese Fish.............| x x . . x x x x . . . x . . . x | Fish 
Boot
CPM......................| . . . . . . x . x . . . . . . . | 
Chile,Meirda
Dark_Avenger.1800.A......| x x . x x x x . . x x x . . x x | Eddie
Dark_Avenger.2100.SI.A...| x . . . . . x . . . . . . . . . | V2100
Datalock.920.............| x x . . . . x . . . . . x . . x | V920
Dir-II.A.................| x x x x x . x x . x x x x x x x | 
Creeping Death
Disk_Killer.A............| x . x . . . x . x x . . x . . . | Ogre
Even_Beeper..............| x x . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
EXE_Bug.A................| x . . . . . x x . x . . x . x . | CMOS 1
EXE_Bug.C................| . . . . . . . x . . . . x . x . |
Fichv.2_1................| x . . . x . . . . . . . x . . x | 905
Filler...................| . . . . . x x . . . . . . . . . |
Flip.2153.A..............| x x . x x . x . . x x . x . . . | Omicron
Flip.2343................| x . . . x . . . . . . . . . . . | Omicron
Form.....................| x x . x x x x . x x x . x x x x | Form 18
Freddy_2.................| . . . . x . x . . . . . . . . . |
Frodo.Frodo.A............| x x . x x . x . . . x x x . . x | 
4096,100 Year
Ginger...................| . . . . . . x . . . . x . . . . | 
Gingerbread
Green Caterpillar........| x x . . x x x . . x x x x . x x | 
Find,1591,1575
Helloween.1376...........| x . . . . . x . . x x x . . x x | 1376
Jerusalem.1244...........| x x . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | 1244
Jerusalem.1808.Standard..| x x . x x x x x x x x . x . x x | 
1808,Israeli
Jerusalem.Anticad.4096.B.| x . . . x . . . . . . . x . . . | Invader
Jerusalem.Fu_Manchu......| x . . . . . x . . . . . x . . . | 
2080,2086
Jerusalem.Mummy.2_1......| x . . . x . . x . . x . x . . . | PC Mummy
Jerusalem.Sunday.A.......| . . . . . . . x . . x . . . . x | Sunday
Jerusalem.Zerotime.Austr.| x x . . . . . . . . . x x . x x | Slow
Joshi.A..................| x x . . x x x . x x x x x . x . |
Kampana.3700:Boot........| x x . x x x x . . x x . . . x . | 
Telecom,Drug
Keypress.1232.A..........| x x . . . . . x . x x x x . x x | 
Turku,Twins
Liberty..................| . x . . x . x . . x x . . . x x | 
Mystic,Magic
Maltese Amoeba...........| x x . . x . x . x x . . x . x x | Irish
Music_Bug................| . . . . x x . . x . . . . . x . |
Necros...................| x . . . . . x . . . . . . . . . | 
Gnose,Irish3
NJH-LBC..................| x . . . . . . . . . . . . . . x | Korea 
Boot
No_Frills.Dudley.........| x . . . . . . . . . . x . . . . | Oi 
Dudley
No_Frills.No_Frills......| . . . . . . x . . . . x . . . . |
Nomenklatura.............| x x . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | Nomen
November_17th.855.A......| x x . . x . x . . . . . . . . . | V855
NPox.963.A...............| . . . . x . x . . . . . . . . x | Evil 
Genius
Ontario.1024.............| . x . . . . . . . . . x x . . . | SBC,1024
Parity_Boot.B............| x . . . . . x x . x x . . x . . |
Ping_Pong.B..............| x x . x . . . . . x . . x . x . | Italian
Predator.2448............| . . . . x . x . . . . . . . . . | 2448
Print_Screen.............| x x . . . . x . . . . . . . . x | PrnScn
Quit.A...................| x x . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | 
555,Dutch
Quox.....................| . x . . x . x . . . . . . . . . | 
Stealth 2
Ripper...................| x x . . x . x . . . . . . . . . | Jack 
Ripper
Screaming_Fist.696.......| x x . . . x x . . . . . . . x . | 
Screamer,696
Stealth.B................| . x . . . . x . x . . . . . . . | STB
Stoned.16................| x x . . . . x . . . . . . . . x | 
Brunswick
Stoned.Azusa.............| x x . . x . x x x . x x x . x . | Hong 
Kong
Stoned.Empire.Monkey.....| . . . . x x x . x . . x . x x . | Monkey
Stoned.Flame.............| . . . . . . x . . . . x . x . . | 
Stoned(3C)
Stoned.June_4th..........| x . . . . x x . . . x x . x x x | 
Bloody!,Beijing
Stoned.Lzr...............| . . . . x . x . . . . . . . . x | 
Stoned.Whit
(continued next message....)

(31 min left), (H)elp, End of Message Command? Date: 02-12-94 (05:07)
    Number: 3207 of 3219 (Refer# NONE)
  To: ALL
From: 0004886415@mcimail.com, JOE WELLS
Subj: WildList for February 1994
Read: (N/A)                         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Conf: uVirus (349)               Read Type: GENERAL (+)


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Newsgroups: comp.virus
From:    Joe Wells <0004886415@mcimail.com>
Subject: WildList for February 1994
Message-ID: <0028.9402111249.AA21498@bull-run.ims.disa.mil>
Date:    Wed, 02 Feb 94 03:08:40 -0500

Stoned.Manitoba..........| . . . . x . x . . . . . . . . . | 
Stonehenge
Stoned.Michelangelo......| x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x . | March 6
Stoned.NoINT.............| x x . . x x x x . x . x . . x . | Stoned 3
Stoned.NOP...............| . . . . . . x . . . . . . . x . | NOP
Stoned.Standard.B........| x . x x x x x x x x x x x x x . | New 
Zealand
Stoned.Swedish_Disaster..| x . . . . x . . . . . . . . . . |
Stoned.W-Boot............| . . . . . . x . . . . x . . . x | W-Boot
Stardot.789..............| . x . . . . x . . . . . . . . . | 805
SVC.3103.................| x . x . . . x . . . x . x . . . | SVC 5.0
Swiss_Phoenix............| . . . . . . x . . . . . . . . x |
Tequila..................| x x . . x . x x . x x . x x x x |
Tremor...................| . . . . x . . . . x . . . x x . |
V-Sign...................| x x . . x x x . . x x x x . x . | 
Cansu,Sigalit
Vacsina.TP-05............| x x . . x x x . . x x . . . x . | RCE-1206
Vacsina.TP-16............| x x . . x . . . . . . . . . . . | RCE-1339
Vienna.648.Reboot........| x x x . . . . . . . . . . . . . | DOS-62
WXYC.....................| . x . . . . x . . . . . . . . . |
Yankee Doodle.TP-39......| x . . . x . . . . . . . . . . . | RCE-2772
Yankee Doodle.TP-44.A....| x . x . x . x . . x x . . x . x | RCE-2885
Yankee Doodle.XPEH.4928..| . . . . x . . . . . . . . . . x | Micropox
Yeke.1076................| . x . . . . x . . . . . . . . . |
=====================================================================
=======
The second chart is based on a single participant noting more than 
one
infection site and may signify limited regional virus outbreaks.

CARO Name of Virus         AsDcEkFbFsGjJwPdPpRfRhRrSgVbWsYr Alias(es)
=====================================================================
=======
10_Past_3.748............| . . . . . . . x . . . . . . . . |
Boot-437.................| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . x |
BootEXE..................| . . . . . . . . . x . . . . . . | BFD-451
Brain....................| . . . . . . . . x . . . . . . . | 
Pakistani
Cascade.1701.G...........| . . . . . . . . . . . . . x . . | 1701
Coffeeshop:MtE_090.......| . . . . . . . x . . . . . . . . |
Darth_Vader.3.A..........| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . x . |
Datalock.828.............| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . x |
Den_Zuko.A...............| x . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | Den Zuk
DosHunter................| . x . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
Emmie.3097...............| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . x |
EXE_Engine...............| . . . . . . . . . . . . . x . . |
Grower...................| . . . . . . x . . . . . . . . . | 
V270x,268+
Hafenstrasse.............| . . . . . . . . . . . . . x . . | Hafen
Hi.......................| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . x | Hi.460
Involuntary.A............| . . . . . . x . . . . . . . . . | Invol
Japanese_Xmas............| . . . . . . . . . . x . . . . . | Xmas 
in Japan
Jerusalem.1808.CT........| . x . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | Capt 
Trips
Jerusalem.1808.Null......| . x . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
Jerusalem.Carfield.......| x . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
Jerusalem.Moctezuma......| . x . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
Jerusalem.Mummy.1_2......| . . . . . . . x . . . . . . . . |
Jerusalem.Sunday.II......| . x . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | Sunday 2
Joshi.B..................| . x . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
Jumper...................| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . x |
Kampana.Galicia:Boot.....| . . . . . . x . . . . . . . . . | 
Telecom,Drug
Keypress.1744............| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . x |
Little Brother.307.......| . . . . x . . . . . . . . . . . |
Lyceum.1788..............| . . x . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
MacGyver.................| . . . . . . x . . . . . . . . . | Shoo
MISiS....................| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . x | 
Zharinov,NIKA
Murphy.Smack.1841........| . . . . . . x . . . . . . . . . | Smack
Necropolis...............| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . x | 1963
November_17th.800........| . . . . . . x . . . . . . . . . | Jan1, 
800
Number_of_the_Beast......| . . . x . . . . . . . . . . . . | 512,666
Parity_Boot.A............| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . x . |
Sat_Bug..................| . . . . . . x . . . . . . . . . | Satan 
Bug
Screaming_Fist.NuWay.....| . . . . . . x . . . . . . . . . | Sticky
Sleepwalker..............| . . . . . . . . . . . x . . . . |
Stinkfoot................| . . . . . . . x . . . . . . . . |
Stoned.Bunny.A...........| . . . . . . . x . . . . . . x . |
Stoned.Dinamo............| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . x |
Stoned.Michelangelo.K....| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . x |
Stoned.Empire.In_Love....| . . . . . . x . . . . . . . . . |
SVC.2936.................| . . . . . . x . . . . . . . . . |
Stoned.Empire.Int_10.....| . . . . . . . . x . . . . . . . |
Swiss_Boot...............| . . . . x . . . . . . . . . . . | Swiss 
Army
Syslock.Syslock.A........| x . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
Vmem.....................| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . x |
Voronezh.1600............| . . x . . . . . . . . . . . . . | RCE-1600
Yale.....................| . x . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | Alameda
=====================================================================
=======
Release Notes:

Vol.202, February 1994

This volume adds two new sources: Fernando Bonsembiante of Argentina,
who produces the publication Virus Report, and Richard Head, of 
Yasuko
Amano Jade Corp, who translates the virus reports of the IPA in 
Japan.
Both these sources provide information that is regional in nature.

This report includes the MISiS (Zharinov,NIKA) which was omitted from
Vol.201. It was reported in Israel by Anthony Naggs of the UK and 
BRM.

Vol.201, January 1994

The Ripper virus was reported by four participants last month. 
Formerly
reported to be in Bulgaria and Finland, the virus is now verified 
in the
UK (several reports), Ireland, Finland, and the Netherlands.

New information from BRM adds some viruses to the second list that 
are
verified in Israel. Note especially Necropolis, which, with Dir II 
and
Frodo, represent over 75 percent of the reports received by BRM.
=====================================================================
=======
The collation of this material is done by Joe Wells, Virus 
Specialist at
Symantec, Peter Norton Group, who is solely responsible for its 
contents.

The material presented is implicitly copyrighted under various 
laws, but
may be freely quoted or cited. However, its source and cooperative 
nature
should be duly referenced.

Other antivirus product developers are invited to participate in 
the list.
If you wish to do so, please contact me.

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(8186)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
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To: all
Re: 16
St: Local
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By: Aristotle
To: Rod Fewster
Re: cont...
St: Rcvd
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If you take the previous list and compile it into families, you 
would see just
how many viruses there are floating in the wild.  Of those, use the 
statistics
provided by the same organizations and you will see that we are 
talking about
less than 10 viruses ever really making an appearance anywhere.

"Stoned, Jerusalem, Joshi, Michaelangelo,...etc"

You know the story!  Fear! Crap... You all are selling your 
"snake-oil" based
on the numbers game. Bill Lambdin's LAT is an example of what 
*y'all* are
really all about. A mere adequate scanner will secure a system 
against those
that were mentioned!  Why all this "MINE'S THE BEST" hub-bub...? 
You yourself
said it was a scam - well, so is selling viruses! In the United 
States, it is
not illegal, therefore I TOO am doing a legitimate practice in 
dealing with
system security, but I use different methods!  The difference is... 
I can tell
people the *truth* and still earn money!

Later Rod...

|02AR|10iST|15oTLE
|02N|10uK|15E|02'|1094

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(8187)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
By: rod fewster
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Re: 17
St: Local
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By: rod fewster
To: Aristotle
Re: cont...
St: Local Sent
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 > If you take the previous list and compile it into families, you 
would
 > see just how many viruses there are floating in the wild.  Of 
those,
 > use the statistics provided by the same organizations and you 
will see
 > that we are talking about less than 10 viruses ever really 
making an
 > appearance anywhere.

 > "Stoned, Jerusalem, Joshi, Michaelangelo,...etc"

Tell this to the guy who has fifty employees sitting around picking 
their noses
at $20 an hour because their computers have been rendered useless 
by one of the
viruses not included in your short list.

 > You know the story!  Fear! Crap... You all are selling your 
"snake-oil"
 > based on the numbers game. Bill Lambdin's LAT is an example of 
what
 > *y'all* are really all about. A mere adequate scanner will 
secure a
 > system against those that were mentioned!

Read my previous paragraph again.

 > Why all this "MINE'S THE BEST" hub-bub...? You yourself said it 
was
 > a scam -

I did ?  When ?

Ever thought about taking remedial reading lessons ?

 > well, so is selling viruses!

So you're admitting *you're* a scam artist ?

 > In the United States, it is not illegal, therefore I TOO am 
doing a
 > legitimate practice in dealing with system security, but I use
 > different methods!

Selling any psychotic geek who sends you a hundred bucks your virus 
collection
is certainily a "different method" of dealing with system security.

 > The difference is... I can tell people the *truth* and still 
earn money!

You tell people whose systems are infected by a virus from your 
collection that
*you're* responsible for their problems and they pay you ?  WOW!

I said in an earlier message that I get on OK with most virus 
writers/groups,
and I made an attempt (several attempts, in fact) to get on OK with 
you ... but
after a few message exchanges with you I've realized that you're 
different from
the others.  They're up front about what they are ... you hide 
behind your
Crusader Against Anti-Virus Ripoffs smokescreen and try to convince 
everyone
that what you're doing is in the public interest.

You liken yourself to a gunshop owner who's not responsible for the 
misuse of
the weapons he sells, but I see you as a gunshop owner who sells 
*legal* TAC
pistols together with *legal* instructions on how to easily modify 
them for
full-auto fire to East LA Pachucos knowing full well that they'll 
be used in
drive-bys.

You know damn well that most of the people who buy your virus 
collection or
download live viruses from Black Axis aren't going to use them for 
research or
furthering their knowledge in the areas of *detection* and 
*prevention* ...
they're going to SPREAD them!

Your disclaimers might protect you from *legal* responsibility, but 
don't piss
in *my* pocket about your ETHICS!


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By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 18
St: Local
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Sun 27 Feb 94  7:49
By: Aristotle
To: Rod Fewster
Re: Who said what?
St: Rcvd
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RF> Calling TBAV "shit" and "crapware" when you and I both know 
it's the best A
RF> package available is pretty pointless.  All it does is make you 
look like a
RF> lamer with an axe to grind.

Huh? What's this...

In a latter thread, I commented about *you* and others saying that 
they had
the best crapware around, and you replied with some ka-ka about me 
needing
remedial reading lessons... SO, I spent the afternoon with Evilynn 
Woodhead
and looky what I found!  :)

Are drugs impeding your thought process or am I simply pissing you 
off so bad
that you can't remember shit?

I'll even import the message and show you

+--------------------->8---------------------------------------------
--------
rod fewsterAristotlecont...27 Feb 94  10:53:MSGID: 3:640/886@fidonet
1d0a4dfaREPLY: 1:271/13 1d07f8c7PID: FastEcho 1.40 15000
;
;  Previous dribble deleted!
;
;
AR > You know the story!  Fear! Crap... You all are selling your 
"snake-oil"
AR > based on the numbers game. Bill Lambdin's LAT is an example of 
what
AR > *y'all* are really all about. A mere adequate scanner will 
secure a
AR > system against those that were mentioned!

RF> Read my previous paragraph again.

AR > Why all this "MINE'S THE BEST" hub-bub...? You yourself said 
it was
AR > a scam -

RF> I did ?  When ?

RF> Ever thought about taking remedial reading lessons ?

+-------------------->8----------------------------------------------
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Does that "jog" your memory Rod? Now then, I'll reply to another 
area of
interest from that same message... Damn I hate for people to get 
off a thread
track...


AR> Ever thought about taking remedial reading lessons ?

RF> well, so is selling viruses!

AR> So you're admitting *you're* a scam artist ?

AR > In the United States, it is not illegal, therefore I TOO am 
doing a
AR > legitimate practice in dealing with system security, but I use
AR > different methods!

RF> Selling any psychotic geek who sends you a hundred bucks your 
virus
RF> collection is certainily a "different method" of dealing with 
system
RF> security.

I don't sell to just *any* psychotic geek who sends me money!

AR > The difference is... I can tell people the *truth* and still 
earn money!

RF> You tell people whose systems are infected by a virus from your 
collection
RF> that *you're* responsible for their problems and they pay you ? 
 WOW!

I'm not responsible! Your colleagues will tell you that. In 
evidence of this,
the statistics shown earlier from *your* cronies, reveal that the 
viruses that
are floating around in the wild, have been here far longer than I 
have been
running this BBS. Try again, Rod.

RF> I said in an earlier message that I get on OK with most virus
RF> writers/groups, and I made an attempt (several attempts, in 
fact) to get

Yeah, I've noticed your messages all over P/Snet and NuKENET... 
You're right
in there aren't you? Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!

RF> on OK with you ...  but after a few message exchanges with you 
I've
RF> realized that you're different from the others.  They You liken 
yourself

Sara does this same smarmy "suck 'em up" crap that you are trying 
to do. Both
of y'all then run amongst your colleagues and say " Yeah, I'm in 
tight with so
and so and I can find out anything  <g>..."  You know you do, 
dickweed!

RF> to a gunshop owner who's not responsible for the misuse of the 
weapons he
RF> sells, but I see you as a gunshop owner who sells *legal* TAC 
pistols
RF> together with *legal* instructions on how to easily modify them 
for
RF> full-auto fire to East L

Yeah! This is America. I believe in hanging the person for what he 
does, not
for what he *might* do!

RF> You know damn well that most of the people who buy your virus 
collection
RF> or download live viruses from Black Axis aren't going to use 
them for
RF> research or furthering their knowledge in the areas of 
*detection* and
RF> *prevention* ...  they're going to SPREAD

Yes, your right. -  I believe you when you tell me folks like Eli 
Shapira of
Central Point is going to spread my viruses all over hell... For
legal reasons, I won't continue, but I can assure you Rod, you 
don't know
dick about me!

RF> Your disclaimers might protect you from *legal* responsibility, 
but don't
RF> piss in *my* pocket about your ETHICS!


They *do*, and *I will*...


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By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 19
St: Local
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Sun 27 Feb 94  8:00
By: Aristotle
To: Rod Fewster
Re: WHICH VIRUS TO USE?
St: Rcvd
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RF> You've already fired your first shots with your childish 
ETHICS.ZIP strate
RF> and your feebly-disguised attempt in this echo to get your 
little toadies t
RF> crosszone my messages into fidonet.  If you think I'm going to 
sit back and
RF> let you make me look like a secret supporter of The Black Axis 
Virus
RF> Supermarket by selectively quoting my words out-of-context and 
applying you
RF> own warped interpretations to them, you've got another think 
coming.

RF> I've got *nothing* to hide!


I know... Everybody in the virus exchange has the Dudley Virus, 
thanks to you!
It was nowhere to be found for months until ROD FEWSTER coughed it 
up! Yeah,
tell me I'm wrong...

AR > The list should not be considered a list of "currently common" 
viruses
AR > however. No provision is made for commonness. A currency basis 
for the
AR > list has been set. Reports date from September of 1992 to the 
present.

RF> I'm not one of your KEwL d0Od sycophants who accepts every word 
you utter a
RF> gospel.  I *understand* The Written Word ... I'm not sucked in 
by *your*
RF> twisted interpretations and convenient omissions.

Heh, look at you... Conveniently locating this statement as a reply 
to the
list I reposted. There were no ommissions from that list... Go get 
it for
yourself!


RF> Practically every time you open your
RF> mouth you step on your dick!  Let's not
RF> keep it a secret in your little echo
RF> any longer ... let's take it PUBLIC!

What... My dick?  I wish you'd stop talking about my dick Rod!   
heh... what a
play on words that was... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


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By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 20
St: Local
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Mon 28 Feb 94 10:36
By: Nostradamus
To: Aristotle
Re: Ethics
St:
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I just read your ETHICS.ZIP in which Festering Rod wants to echo fuck
ARiSToTLE...Hmmm he says take your best shot, I think he needs a 
shot to get
rid of the Festering..<G>  What the hell is he a GAY biker with all 
the
leathers and such.  Oooooohhhh Mr. Officer in blue you look so 
cute...Oh by
the way I'm the BITCH for the Hell Angels.  Check out my 
AV-hole..Nice and
tight.  Well you are what you eat ROD that's why your a DICK.  Get 
another
Tatoo and become a prison guard, another superb intellectual in the 
AV
business.  Say you call McAfee a Pussy, I'll bet your don't even 
make 1% of
the profit he generates, you you you you...Av retard...Post your 
college
degree instead of your "biker skills" - which is beer 
drinking..Your friggin
loser... You  only wish you had Sara Gordon's pussy, but then you 
probabily
don't want a hole unless it smells like a mans buttock.  Shit if 
you argue
with ARiSToTLE you will LOSE boy.  You can't even hold his jock 
strap.  If you
ever come flexing your real muscle, you just might find out that 
many of us
are not pimpled faced boys.  Leave your threats to those who have 
your
mentality.
Yours Truly,
NoSTRaDaMuS  [DuKE 94']  <G>

PS. Festering Rod...Have a nice day.  :)

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By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 21
St: Local
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Mon 28 Feb 94 11:17
By: Nostradamus
To: Aristotle
Re: Ethics
St:
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To be a man by the Festering Rod definition, one must ride a bike 
(Uncle
Fester's was a Schwinn) with the Hell's Angels, (Be their BITCH) 
and drink
beer...Oooooohhhhh what a man.  He will never succeed in the AV 
since he can
not program and probabily does not have a degree in anything except 
butt
fucking.  I wish the Festering Rod would tell us something about his
profitable product.Hahahahahahahahahahaha  Profit, what th$e fuck 
would
kan ignorant biker know about computers. Hahahahahaha  I've 
talked to low
life bikers before..all their into is fighting and running Drugs.  
Thats why
the FBI targeted the Hell's Angels for extinction.  What a DICK 
you are
Festering Rod.
                |
               o|o  Rotate on this perv Fester.
NoSTRaDaMuS [DuKE 94']

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(8192)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 22
St: Local
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Tue 1 Mar 94 09:07
By: rod fewster
To: SNOTradamus
Re: Ethics
St: Local Sent
+--------------------------------------------------------------------
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@MSGID: 3:640/886@fidonet 1f101cd0

 > To be a man by the Festering Rod definition, one must ride a 
bike (Uncle
 > Fester's was a Schwinn) with the Hell's Angels, (Be their BITCH) 
and drink
 > beer...Oooooohhhhh what a man.  He will never succeed in the AV 
since he
 > can not program and probabily does not have a degree in anything 
except
 > butt fucking.  I wish the Festering Rod would tell us something 
about his
 > profitable product.Hahahahahahahahahahaha  Profit, what th$e 
fuck would
 > kan ignorant biker know about computers. Hahahahahaha  I've 
talked to
 > low life bikers before..all their into is fighting and running 
Drugs.
 > Thats why the FBI targeted the Hell's Angels for extinction.  
What a
 > DICK you are Festering Rod.
 >                 |
 >                o|o  Rotate on this perv Fester.
 > NoSTRaDaMuS [DuKE 94']

Read my message again, wanker!

I quit riding with the Angels before you were born!

The 1960s Angels were *bikers* ... a pretty hard bunch, but 
*nothing* like
the gangsters (many of whom don't even own a motorcycle) of today.

BTW ... if you tell your psychiatrist about your anal fixation he 
might give
you a nice warm soapy enema.  Get him to jam it in your ear and 
flush some of
the shit out of your addled brain!


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By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 23
St: Local
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Tue 1 Mar 94 09:09
By: rod fewster
To: ARiSToTLE
Re: FOAD!
St: Local Sent
+--------------------------------------------------------------------
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@MSGID: 3:640/886@fidonet 1f101cd1

For a while I thought the NuKE guys were throwing sour grapes at 
you over the
breakup, but after a week in this echo I've come to realize they're 
right ...
you *are* a loudmouthed dickhead!  You think you're a big deal in 
the VX, but
the truth is that it's not just NuKE who thinks you're a 
loudmouthed dickhead
... *everyone* outside your own little "Nuke '94" circle-jerk 
thinks you're a
loudmouthed dickhead too!

You're a big wheel on your own turf where you can lie like a pig in 
shit with
the support of your little band of suck-ups, but I've been around 
too long to
be impressed by your "I'm The Great ARiSToTLE" bullshit, and I'm 
not playing
your schoolgirl games on your turf any more.

This is my final message in this echo.  You want to continue ... 
let's play in
VIRUS_INFO where you can expose yourself as an *international* 
loudmouthed
dickhead.


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By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 24
St: Local
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Fri 25 Feb 94 23:58
By: rod fewster
To: Brian Oblivion
Re: WHICH VIRUS TO USE?
St: Local
+--------------------------------------------------------------------
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 > How many of each commonly retreated to the men's room for an 
hour or two of
 > leather-clad rectal recreation?  Not even I am dumb enough to 
believe that
 > there are any heterosexual biker bars left in the country.

Anyone who thinks a Hell's Angels hangout has *anything* in common 
with the gay
leather scene should pray to whatever gods he believes in that he 
never walks
into one by mistake.

 > Whooooooaaa!  Calm The Frig Down and have some Fun, Fun, Fun! 
Besides, what
 > do you think the good doctor Freud would have to say about your 
recurring
 > homosexuality motiffs?  First biker bars, now fantasies of 
bending John
 > over and fucking him blind.  Are you in any textbooks, perchance?

I've been looking for a nice young boy like you for a while.

Wanna go for a ride on my bike, sweetcheeks ?  :)


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By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 25
St: Local
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Thu 24 Feb 94 12:48
By: NetRunner
To: Newbomb Turk
Re: Jesus Slut-F*cker
St:
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NT>=> Those "AV" people sure are a bunch of dorks.  I'm tempted to 
bomb all
NT>=> of them just on GP.

NT>Careful. Some of them Dorks read this echo....

I'm counting on it.

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By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 26
St: Local
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Fri 25 Feb 94  5:27
By: Aristotle
To: George Paulsen
Re: Aristotle
St:
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GP>       Wow John, have you lost your mind. Why are you trying to 
take

Don't get in on this one George.

GP> that you are lashing out at anybody who has dealings with NuKE.

I reckon so... this bitch has been pumping netmail all over the 
damn world
stirring up all manner of shit with a lot of people. If she's doing 
this on a
semi-public basis, what the hell is she trying to do in the dark? 
You've read
the BS up on every system in America...  It all comes from when she 
went out
to "Pump-Con" last year, met TimeLord, embarrassed him to death 
with her
"rogue-ass", and now, for some weird reason, thought she had some 
kinda love
relationship with the guy and I squirrled it up...Who the hell 
knows??? She
fuckin' looney as hell, George.  Her first wave of attacks were 
through
Netmail to DM(screaming Radish) and MW(Savage Beast) telling them 
that I was
some form of "Super-Smokey" for the federal government. This wasn't 
too bad,
but then she started working on professional friends. - I don't 
need this,
crap!

GP> and leave the LaDiES alone :)

You show me a lady and I'll show you a stay-hard 13" Rod! I hope 
she eats
shit, dies, and is found dead, naked, and in a public place! Ask 
her about
making offers to "certain hackers" with getting access rights
on a Kray at the lab! Then ask the lab if they knew about it and 
what its
purpose was...

She's evil, dude!


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By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 27
St: Local
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Sat 26 Feb 94 12:17
By: Brian Oblivion
To: Rod Fewster
Re: WHICH VIRUS TO USE?
St: Rcvd
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RF> Wanna go for a ride on my bike, sweetcheeks ?  :)

That's SIZZLECHEST to you, fruitcake.

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By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 28
St: Local
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Sun 27 Feb 94 16:15
By: DeathBoy
To: ARiSToTLE
Re: WHICH VIRUS TO USE?
St:
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rod fewster wrote in a message to Aristotle:

rf> Practically every time you open your mouth you step on your
rf> dick!  Let's not keep it a secret in your little echo any
rf> longer ... let's take it PUBLIC!

Damn, ARi...

   You must have a very Big Dick...Swollen & shit from all that 
steppin'
   on it... Daaamn  If I had a Dick like that, I'd go PUBLIC too.  ;)

BTW, who the fuck thinks FIDO is public anyway??? Mini-tyrannts as 
Moderators &
DumbFucks who think they know programming.  Losers...

The Key reason for writing alternative programs is so that the AV 
spreads it,
and assholes catch it!  Look for MISERY, coming soon to an Asshole 
near you!!

Adios,
  DeathBoy
 -=[GenX `94]=-


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By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 29
St: Local
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Wed 2 Mar 94 12:59
By: Nostradamus
To: Michael Paris
Re: Ethics
St:
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Just as I expected Mike, he tucked his tail between his legs and 
ran for
cover.  I read his posts in various echos, he rude and obnoxious to 
most....
He has the typical BIKER mentality of I'm soooo tough, I'm such a 
bad ass. All
I can say to Rod Fewster aka Festering Rod, aka Fisting Rod, aka 
Uncle Fester,
aka Leather Homosexual Hell's Angels BITCH.... Is get a life boy!  
What a
thing to advertise..that you hung out with stupid, illiterate 
bikers who are
notorious for Drug Running, Money Laundering, Murder and Mayhem.  
These
animals have to travel in packs to prey on the weak..To rape ...To 
steal..To
murder...The Hell's Angels are a worthless flock of SHIT.  If Rod 
Fewster is
so fucking proud of this then I hope he is exposed to the world of 
the low
life that he is.  I would like to see he police record..He has 
probabily done
time in a Federal Pen with these predators on society.  I bet that 
old man
Festering Rod has Tatoo's all over his body..The mark of a mentally 
imbalanced
person...To permanent scar their body...I heard he lives in 
Australia..Hahaha
Austrialia was orginally a penal colony--PERFECT for that asswipe.  
Police
officer that like to hang out with scum like the Hell's Angels just 
to say I'm
cool and I'm tough should be mentally examined.  As for the Hell's 
Angels
kicking the ass of police officer's ...I would hope that the 
officer would
administer a wooden shampoo or blow away these low lifes.  They 
olny attack
people when they are in packs. COWARDS.  I'm sure ROd wished that 
he had the
guts that it takes to become a law enforcement officer, but I'm 
sure he lacks
the guts and the intelligence.  He may qualify to become a prison 
guard, thus
he can voluntarily lock himself into the joint for twenty 
years....He can also
buddy up to his Arien race of biker friend who spread and preach 
hatred.  Rod
Fewster should be terminated by Thunder Byte.  In fact he could do 
the world a
favor a commit suicide, one less low life in world would not be 
missed.
Before I step off my soap box...If he thinks that he can escape my 
wrath by
simply saying that Ohhh that NoSTRaDaMuS was mean to me, so I'm not 
going to
read these posts...B U L L S H I T...He will read them....DO YOU 
HEAR ME
FESTERING ROD.. I think I might mail a copy of all these exchanges 
to the CEO
of THUNDERBYTE! Hmmmmmmmm  AND R E M E M B E R  Rod...YOU started 
it all.

NoSTRaDaMuS [PuKE 94'] <G>

PS. Have a nice day :)

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By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 30
St: Local
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Wed 2 Mar 94 22:08
By: Aristotle
To: Michael Paris
Re: Ethics
St:
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@MSGID: 1:271/13 1f1632b7

MP> You will not find Rod here in this echo any more, you can 
probbly find him
MP> VIRUS_INFO, He did not want to continue getting these types of 
cracks.
MP>
MP> So he netmailed me today and disconnected from this area.
MP>
MP> Michael Paris (Cris)


This doesn't surprise me Mike. The man has no direction in life. 
Trying to
suck up to me by saying that used to be a 1%er and drank with cops 
only tells
me that both he and the cops with whom he drank, are of no 
character. Neither
of the two parties he describes are the type of people I want to be 
around. Do
you like two-faced people? Do you want someone handling your 
financial affairs
that is also laundering money for other nameless organizations?  
What's the
difference? To put in terms you may understand - When God rests, is 
he out
copping a buzz with Satan? No! So, why should we expect anything 
less from a
person who claims to be one way or the other? Shouldn't they choose 
their path
and stand by it? If not, then are they not considered "luke-warm".


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By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 31
St: Local
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Wed 2 Mar 94 22:10
By: Aristotle
To: Deathboy
Re: Ethics
St:
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@MSGID: 1:271/13 1f1632b8

D> Ahhhhhhh, the first dissatisfied customer :( You know ARi should 
have gave
D> him some parting gifts or something.  You can't please Everyone :)
D>
D> Adios,
D>   DeathBoy(NuKE `94)

..and without doubt, not the last :)

Ol' Festus just couldn't hang! He's even solicited some limp-dick 
nobody named
Ryan "something" or "something" Ryan, babbling about me, NuKE, 
AV,,etc...  Who
the hell is the clown?  :)


...gee, was that a subliminal hint for someone to pull his info :)


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By: rod fewster
To: all
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Thu 3 Mar 94  5:37
By: Aristotle
To: All
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I have heard murmurings about things like... "What's the name of 
your echo?"
etc.etc.etc... Well, I'll tell ya!

Number one... It is not NuKE_NFO, so if you are retared enough to 
post this as
the name, then...  er uh.. gee, I guess you're a retard!  I already 
have a few
areas for NuKE and this is not one of them... A few NuKE memebers 
in here, but
again, this is not NuKE_NFO.  So, Michael... Fix your damn board to 
reflect
this. Ok? From the looks of it here lately, the term  "Flaming AV" 
has taken
on a new light, or perhaps it's always meant the same thing and 
Festering Rod
had to bring it to our attention..  Many times I have read Jeffy 
and Eddy's
remarks about "Flaming", but only now do I really understand what 
they were
talking about.... Now then, for his feltching partner, "? Ryan 
?"... Anybody
know anything about him?


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By: rod fewster
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Thu 3 Mar 94  5:49
By: Aristotle
To: All
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 > To bring on an attempt to get some of the more vocal ones into 
an area
 > where they can discuss the issues on their own terms, without 
disrupting
 > another's echo, is the prime reasons VIRUS_NFO is being created...

FR> Why would "some of the more vocal ones" bother ?

FR> I tried ... and within a week of connecting to the echo ARiSToTLE
FR> threatened to "expose" me in *this* echo and VIRUS as a 
"Traitor to The AV
FR> Cause" or whatever the hell he thinks I am because I said that 
I get on OK
FR> with most virus writers and groups as l

FR> .......... [ snip from VIRUS_NFO ]

 Ar> I feel good about what I do because I know that, right or 
wrong, I am
 Ar> making a stand for something that I believe in.

 Ar> You on the other hand..., well Rod, whores only sell their 
snatch for
 Ar> money, you sell your soul! Live with it dude, but don't try to 
lower
 Ar> me to *your* standards!

 Ar> Why don't you repost your letter to me in the virus_info or 
virus echo?
 Ar> Do you think your constituency would approve? How would Franz 
take it
 Ar> that your wanting to rub elbows with the underground, because 
"..inspite
 Ar> of the differences that set us apart, weez kewl...", -

 Ar> Dude, I sure hope nobody captures all these messages and 
sticks them
 Ar> all over the Fido or your going to look really silly...

FR> .......... [ end snip ]


FR> Unless you guys wake up to yourselves and clean up your acts 
VIRUS_NFO
FR> will always be just another VX hangout ...  it's ambience is 
way too
FR> childish and belligerent to attract AVers.


Oh, now he's a great and noted journalist :)  What a turkey!  One 
minute he's
in here talking about how much he gets along with all the VXers and 
the next,
they're all evil and need to wake up... What did I tell ya?  One 
day, one way
... another day, another way!  You proved my words to be correct, 
Festus!

BTW... Quoting from the lips of Festering Rod;

"I get on OK with other Vx...."  Rememebr this??? Well, would 
someone do me a
favor and point out just who in the hell he's talking about? All I 
have seen
is the VX literally nail his narrow-ass to the wall for stupidity 
and GP.

He must know Sara... They come across with the same style!  Perhpas 
he'll do
an in depth interview with Dark Avenger too! Maybe they'll hook up 
"bury the
hatchet" :)


Take it easy Rod.. oops! I forgot... You like it rough!


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By: rod fewster
To: all
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Tue 1 Mar 94 18:54
By: Michael Paris
To: Nostradamus
Re: Ethics
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No> I just read your ETHICS.ZIP in which Festering Rod wants to 
echo fuck
No> ARiSToTLE...Hmmm he says take your best shot, I think he needs 
a shot to ge
No> rid of the Festering..<G>  What the hell is he a GAY biker with 
all the
No> leathers and such.  Oooooohhhh Mr. Officer in blue you look so 
cute...Oh by
No> the way I'm the BITCH for the Hell Angels.  Check out my 
AV-hole..Nice and
No> tight.  Well you are what you eat ROD that's why your a DICK.  
Get another
No> Tatoo and become a prison guard, another superb intellectual in 
the AV
No> business.  Say you call McAfee a Pussy, I'll bet your don't 
even make 1% of
No> the profit he generates, you you you you...Av retard...Post 
your college
No> degree instead of your "biker skills" - which is beer 
drinking..Your friggi
No> loser... You  only wish you had Sara Gordon's pussy, but then 
you probabily
No> don't want a hole unless it smells like a mans buttock.  Shit 
if you argue
No> with ARiSToTLE you will LOSE boy.  You can't even hold his jock 
strap.  If
No> ever come flexing your real muscle, you just might find out 
that many of us
No> are not pimpled faced boys.  Leave your threats to those who 
have your
No> mentality.
No> Yours Truly,
No> NoSTRaDaMuS  [DuKE 94']  <G>

You will not find Rod here in this echo any more, you can probbly 
find him in
VIRUS_INFO, He did not want to continue getting these types of 
cracks.

So he netmailed me today and disconnected from this area.

Michael Paris (Cris)

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By: rod fewster
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Wed 2 Mar 94  9:07
By: DeathBoy
To: Michael Paris
Re: Ethics
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Michael Paris wrote in a message to Nostradamus:

MP> You will not find Rod here in this echo any more, you can
MP> probbly find him in  VIRUS_INFO, He did not want to continue
MP> getting these types of cracks.
MP> So he netmailed me today and disconnected from this area.

Ahhhhhhh, the first dissatisfied customer :( You know ARi should 
have gave him
some parting gifts or something.  You can't please Everyone :)

Adios,
  DeathBoy(NuKE `94)

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By: rod fewster
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Wed 2 Mar 94 22:08
By: Aristotle
To: Michael Paris
Re: Ethics
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MP> You will not find Rod here in this echo any more, you can 
probbly find him
MP> VIRUS_INFO, He did not want to continue getting these types of 
cracks.
MP>
MP> So he netmailed me today and disconnected from this area.
MP>
MP> Michael Paris (Cris)


This doesn't surprise me Mike. The man has no direction in life. 
Trying to
suck up to me by saying that used to be a 1%er and drank with cops 
only tells
me that both he and the cops with whom he drank, are of no 
character. Neither
of the two parties he describes are the type of people I want to be 
around. Do
you like two-faced people? Do you want someone handling your 
financial affairs
that is also laundering money for other nameless organizations?  
What's the
difference? To put in terms you may understand - When God rests, is 
he out
copping a buzz with Satan? No! So, why should we expect anything 
less from a
person who claims to be one way or the other? Shouldn't they choose 
their path
and stand by it? If not, then are they not considered "luke-warm".


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By: rod fewster
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Wed 2 Mar 94 22:10
By: Aristotle
To: Deathboy
Re: Ethics
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D> Ahhhhhhh, the first dissatisfied customer :( You know ARi should 
have gave
D> him some parting gifts or something.  You can't please Everyone :)
D>
D> Adios,
D>   DeathBoy(NuKE `94)

..and without doubt, not the last :)

Ol' Festus just couldn't hang! He's even solicited some limp-dick 
nobody named
Ryan "something" or "something" Ryan, babbling about me, NuKE, 
AV,,etc...  Who
the hell is the clown?  :)


...gee, was that a subliminal hint for someone to pull his info :)


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To: All
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ViRUS_iNFO:
In a message from Rod Fewster to Dennis Ricketts;

(964)   Mon 7 Mar 94 12:23
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To: dennis ricketts
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DR>> To bring on an attempt to get some of the more vocal ones into
an area where they can discuss the issues on their own terms, without
disrupting another's echo, is the prime reasons VIRUS_NFO is being
created...

rf> Why would "some of the more vocal ones" bother ?
rf> I tried ... and within a week of connecting to the echo ARiSToTLE
rf> threatened to "expose" me in *this* echo and VIRUS as a 
"Traitor to
rf> The AV Cause" or whatever the hell he thinks I am because I 
said that
rf> I get on OK with most virus writers and groups as long as they 
don't
rf> try to put shit on me.

Why don't you reprint what *you* wrote to me in ViRUS_NFO and let 
your
peers judge you? No cuts or editing - just exactly like you wrote it,
word for word!


DR> My trouble with all of this is the gross double standard that 
appears
DR> to exist within the VX-AV communitys. I have a tremendous problem
DR> with don't do as I do, do as I say attitudes.

RF> Contrary to what John Buchanan would have you believe, *I* don't
RF> have a double standard.  Through his tunnel vision and abysmal
RF> lack of understanding of the written word (or deliberate mis-
RF> interpretation thereof) he saw my suggestion that we try to 
correspond
RF> in a state of mutual non-aggression as a "lack of ethics" on my 
part
RF> ... "wanting to rub shoulders with the VX world" as he so 
succinctly
RF> put it.


Double standards? I don't think you have *any* standards, Rod! 
Beating up
police officers then going for a drink with them later doesn't show 
me a
great deal of moral fiber. Therefore, Mr. "lower primate", I choose 
not to
associate myself with the likes of you.


RF> Is his childish ego really so far out of control that he thinks 
I'll
RF> lose sleep over the fact that "The Great Aristotle" has 
launched a
RF> campaign to convince the world that I'm a closet VXer hiding 
behind
RF> an AV cloak of respectability ?

There is no campaign, Rod! You are doing it to yourself much like I
suspected you would, so keep talking...

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...continued "The Fewster Saga"

RF> Does he really think anyone outside his own little VX circle-jerk
RF> will fall for such utter bullshit ?


They don't fall for it, Rod, they support it! Government agencies and
contractors alike, think that the AV market is a scam! I just happen
to offer them proof from people like you who claim to be ex-members
of the "Hell's Angels" and are now AV converts.

RF> His credibility in The Real World is a figment of his own 
imagination!

Apparently it has you all steamed up like a lobster!


DR> John is avery intellegent person.

RF> So he keeps telling me.  However, he has yet to demonstrate this.


No Rod! You are intimidated by those with greater mental prowess and
are therefore conjuring up delusions to hide your inadequecies.


DR> John also comes off irritating to many.

RF> He certainly does.  I imagine his referring to black people as
RF> "niggers" would be rather irritating to *them* ... unless, of
RF> course, he's black himself.


Yes Rod, I did use the word "nigger"! I have used it several hundred
times before! Am I a racist? No... So, are you playing the political
arena by trying to win the Black Vote or something? Are you thinking
that hordes of blacks will be outraged because one obscure white boy
says the uses the word "nigger"... Get real dude!

RF> He irritates *me* by misinterpreting what I say.

Would you like some cheese to go with that whine?

RF> I readily accept misinterpretation *based on lack of 
understanding
RF> * from those to whom English is a second language and from native
RF> English speakers whose word skills are not equal to my own for
RF> whatever reason ... but I don't accept it at all from a loudmouth
RF> who claims to be more intelligent than I am.


I am more intelligent than you! There's no doubt in anybody's mind 
but
yours... To put it bluntly... You're an imbicile!


RF> I can only conclude (a) that John *deliberately* applies his own
RF> warped meaning to what I say to suit his own sinister ends or
RF> (b) that he's nowhere near as intelligent as he would have
RF> everyone believe.


Your conclusion diplays *your* intelligence, Rod, for you know not 
one
thing about me except for what you read in a Fido echo!

DR> He does not fit in the guidelines of what the Moderators of the
DR> respective Virus areas decree,

I am not trying to fit *your* guidelines, Rod... I don't agree with
them!

RF> Neither does anyone else who thinks that selling live viruses to
RF> any psychotic computergeek who has a spare hundred bucks is doing
RF> the public a favor.

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Thu 10 Mar 94 18:54
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To: All
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...continued "The Fewster Saga"

RF> Neither does anyone else who thinks that selling live viruses to
RF> any psychotic computergeek who has a spare hundred bucks is doing
RF> the public a favor.

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Oh Rod, you're such the judge and jury over who can do what and 
when...
Did you learn this from the "Hell's Angels" or did a policeman 
instruct
you in this ZEN while you and he drank beers at the local tavern? 
BTW...
I would love to see your face if you ever saw the list of who these
"computergeeks" were...  :)


DR> so, to give him the opertunity to give folks access to his 
knowledge,
DR> we started theecho.

RF> Access to *what* knowledge ?

Of course!

RF> How to antagonize AVers who connect with the echo ?

You didn't send *me* any requests! You took it upon yourself to jump
right in the middle with both feet. You didn't even respect the Fido
Nodenumber requirements. CRiS was gating it to you via CRiSNET.


RF> How to thwart any attempt to establish a non-flaming atmosphere ?

No... I am not too good unless I am lighting a match under people
like you!

RF> How to manipulate immature starry-eyed snotnoses into doing your
RF> dirty work ?

Yes!

RF> How to word disclaimers to avoid prosecution while actively and
RF> openly engaged in distributing viruses ?

What dislcaimers, Rod?  I allow people to download my viruses much
like the AV allows their colleagues access to their pools of virus
specimens. I am not ashamed, nor do I hide behind any veils of 
secrecy!


RF> Tell me, Dennis ... what *useful* knowledge does John have to 
offer ?

DR> There, he can do pretty much what he wants...

RF> He certainly can ... and does!

Yes I do!

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(8212)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
By: rod fewster
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Thu 10 Mar 94 18:54
By: Aristotle
To: All
Re: The Fewster Saga
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...continued "The Fewster Saga"

DR> He is the Moderator.

RF> In that case he's free to use this tagline any time he likes:

RF>  # SFMR - moderator (n) arbiter [md--r-th] (Lat. moderare,
RF>  to limit)
RF>  see also: ego-tripper, dork, power-freak, megalomaniac, wanker.

...and you call me childish, Rod?


DR> I do not know what personal problems the two of you have had in 
the
DR> past, but apparently they are grave ones.

RF> We had *no* prior problems ... personal or otherwise.

RF> If you check back through your messagebase you'll see that my 
very
RF> first post in VIRUS_NFO was in reply to a message from John in 
which
RF> he selectively quoted one of my VIRUS_INFO messages to give it 
"his"
RF> meaning.  He continued to apply his own warped interpretations to
RF> everything I said in subsequent messages ... no doubt 
encouraged by
RF> the support of his little band of crawly brown-tongued 
sycophants who
RF> jumped on the "Let's flame the AVer" bandwagon ... until I'd 
had a
RF> gutful of his childish bullshit and areafixed myself out of the 
echo.
Yes Rod, your message was warped from the beginning. Nobody bought 
that
line of crap you were selling!  Nobody...  Not even your colleagues!
Well perhaps Sara believed you  :)


DR> I am a bit dismayed at the flaming that is going on, and have 
written
DR> to John expressing my troubles.

RF> He's using *your* BBS as the hub to distribute VIRUS_NFO.  The 
fact
RF> that he's the moderator doesn't alter the fact that *you're* 
the one
RF> who is ultimately responsibile for what goes on in the echo.  
He's
RF> abusing your hospitality and so are the geeks he's gathered 
around
RF> him ... and you're letting them get away with it!  In Cyberspace,
RF> this is like letting them walk into your living room and piss all
RF> over the furniture!

I have people hooking into me also, Rod...  Dennis has followed 
this line
of crap for about a year now and I think he came to the same 
conclusion
that many people have regarding the AVs involvement in the trading of
viruses. BTW.. where were you when Dr. Solomon explained this on the
COMP.VIRUS forum in Internet? He even admitted to it...

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By: Aristotle
To: All
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...continued "The Fewster Saga"

DR> It is a new echo. Folks are delibertly attempting to wreck it, 
or the
DR> systems that carry it (an attempt was made to mailbomb me about 
8 days
DR> ago...)..

RF> I'm sorry to hear that.

RF> Try looking close to home for the culprit ... I heard a whisper 
that
RF> one of your VIRUS_NFO geeks checked out the pathline and timezone
RF> difference in my reply to Aristotle's message, saw that the 
original
RF> came directly from your fidonet node and that I'd replied from 
the
RF> other side of the world within a few minutes of it being posted 
on
RF> your BBS, and arbitrarily decided that this was evidence of
RF> "suspicious behavior" on your part and that you were my snitch.

I don't think you'll ever convince *anyone* within a hundred miles 
of me
that I am guilty of *any* illegal activities.  Like I said, Rod... 
You
don't know me  :)


RF> (This doesn't say much for his IQ, does it ?  Anyone half-smart
RF> would know that there are other ways I could have accomplished
RF> this apart from you being an "AV spy" and a "traitor" and
RF> crashmailing the message to me.)

DR> IMHO. If you, oranyone else joins theecho, maybe you should try
DR> discussion with John, without flaming.

RF> I tried.

No Rod, you threatened me for a peaceful coexistance or you would 
"Bend me
over and echofuck me"...  Repost *your* peaceful message, Rod!


RF> I even gave him a second chance ... ie: the opportunity to
RF> reconsider his position after he tacitly threatened to "tell
RF> Frans Veldman that I wanted to rub shoulders with VXers" and
RF> to crosszone my "admissions of guilt" into this echo ... but
RF> he didn't want any part of it.

I *never* gave you the chance and never will!  You're two-faced
and I don't want to be associated with the likes of you...

RF> A third chance will be a long time coming!

Thank you!

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To: All
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...continued "The Fewster Saga"

DR> *I* WANT to learn about programming and Virus's. I want to
DR> safeguard my software and hardware investments. I want to
DR> be able to ask any question I want about any aspect of the
DR> VX-AV world.

RF> You won't accomplish this if only VXers use the echo, and
RF> I doubt if there's an AVer alive who will put up with John's
RF> childish performances.

<heh>  Yeah, right! Obviously you do not even know the folks with
whom you associate!


DR> I believe that once things settle down, and we get things in
DR> order, there will be a purpose and scope, for the existance
DR> for *all* of the Virus related areas. Tom, Edward and Jeff
DR> have their scope of discussion, John will have his.

RF> John doesn't want to discuss VX<->AV sensibly.  He wanted his
RF> own little corner of Cyberspace where he could play VirusGod
RF> to his feeble-minded followers and throw shit at the anti
RF> -virus world ... and he used you to get it.

I've been discussing it sensibly fo quite some time, but I haven't
discussed it *your* way!


RF> Take a *good* look at VIRUS_NFO, Dennis.  What *useful*
RF> information has been disseminated since its inception
RF> several weeks ago ?

RF> NOT A BLOODY THING!

In your opinion, Rod, but your little "Hell's Angels" fiasco was 
quite a
useful tool in proving my point to people about what kind of folks 
are
trying to protect them.


RF> You appear to be a reasonably-intelligent (albeit sometimes
RF> misguided) guy. Let's see how intelligent you really are ...
RF> forget John Buchanan's twisted word-portrait of Rod Fewster
RF> and read *all* my VIRUS_NFO messages with an open mind, then
RF> tell me if *you* interpret what I said to mean the same as
RF> he did.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...  I can hardly wait to see this!

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...continued "The Fewster Saga"

DR> I talked to John, and helped him get the VIRUS_NFO echo going,
DR> for several reasons.

RF> *Your* reasons may have been altruistic ... but what about
RF> *John's* reasons ? Do you really believe he wants VIRUS_NFO
RF> to be an echo where he can sensibly and rationally discuss
RF> the pros and cons of the virus scene with people from "both
RF> sides of the fence" ?

RF> I'll talk with *sensible* VXers anytime, but VIRUS_NFO is
RF> almost exclusively populated by childish wankers, and you're
RF> letting them *behave* like childish wankers!  Your echo has
RF> only been around for a few weeks and already it's the laughing
RF> stock of Cyberspace!

RF> Open your bloody eyes, Dennis!  *You're* responsible for
RF> VIRUS_NFO ... *not* John Buchanan!  Take control of the
RF> echo and moderate it *properly* if you want the world to
RF> see you as a MAN ... otherwise you'll go down in history
RF> as just another Aristotle-worshipping flunky who let a motley
RF> collection of dickheads drag him and his echo into the gutter
RF> because he didn't have the balls to make a stand!

Nice theatrics, Rod...  Counsel, call you next witness!  :)


rf> Unless you guys wake up to yourselves and clean up your acts
rf> VIRUS_NFO will always be just another VX hangout ... it's
rf> ambience is way too childish and belligerent to attract AVers.

Great... Who wants them in there in the first place!  I am seeking
the folks who want to know the truth about viruses and people like 
you.

DR> Agreed. And unless the AV community comes to grip with the 
apparent
DR> conflict of interest it represents, then this argument will 
never end.

RF> Conflict of interest my arse!

AV giving viruses out is not a conflict of interest? How about one 
or two
of them offering a commission to a "bid-seeker" on a government 
contract?

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(8216)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 45
St: Local
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Thu 10 Mar 94 18:55
By: Aristotle
To: All
Re: The Fewster Saga
St:
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...continued "The Fewster Saga"

RF> You've been listening to Aristotle preach his "I'm here to 
protect
RF> the public from the Evil AVers who are out to rip them off" 
sermon
RF> too long!

I am glad to know that some people have listened and learned.

DR> If you have useful information, then post it to me in the
DR> VIRUS_NFO echo.

RF> Kinda hard for me to do ... I'm no longer connected to VIRUS_NFO,
RF> I doubt if you'll send it to me daily on your dime, and I have
RF> no intention of wasting any more of *my* money to transport
RF> childish bullshit across the world.

I am absolutely tickled about that.

DR> I am not as interested in the personal conflicts and politics, as
DR> I am interested in obtaining the eknowledge needed for my and my
DR> computer to survive these days.

RF> I wish you luck ... if you rely solely on Aristotle's "expertise
RF> " you're gonna need a lot of it!

You too my friend... You too!

> ---  [ triad! ]
>  * Origin: The Edge of Reality!  --==[ +61-7-886-1-886 ]==-- 
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(8217)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 46
St: Local
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Sat 12 Mar 94  8:43
By: Aristotle
To: Cory Tucker
Re: .
St:
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MR> man. You're a 111 site, why do you think the heavyweights 
haven't joined
MR> VIRUS_NFO? All you're getting is lame ducks like Nostradamus, 
Brian

Brian...

Do you know what the really funny part about all this is??? 
Nostradamus does
what he does just so he can watch people like this guy, whine and 
bitch. If
you don't know who he is, drop me a line and I'll fill you in. 
You'll be
totally surprised at who has assumed the name!

CT> Heavyweights?  You mean 'Beautiful People?'  The other part of 
the '111 Ga
CT> don't do anything either, they just sit around and make small 
talk.  I've g
CT> about 20 messages here about Typhoid Mary's life story, how she 
got her job
CT> how she lost her job... real HEAVYWEIGHT stuff.

I hear ya... It was my mistake for ever giving her the first NUP! 
Oh well,
live and learn...

MR> BIG TIME to swap viruses and trash systems and data. We don't 
even want to
MR> KNOW those FOOLS!!! Do you want N.Turk to end up in the same 
pigeon-hole?

Do you ever get the urge to want to beat the crap out of someone 
for being so
narrow minded? Doesn't it just rape your soul that a person can 
stand and
shout about things when you know that he has no foggy assed idea 
what's really
going on? I've never trashed anybody's anything, yet listen to this 
moron!

MR> around you pal, OLDTIME NuKE and P/S and independents think
MR> Buchanan a joke.

Heh, would you listen to this clown...  NuKE decides to turn back 
into the
pseudo-criminal element and tosses me out... Some P/S members have 
never fully
trusted me in the scene, CRiS starts out a warez-dude turned Vx guy 
turned AV
guru, Sara runs with hackers (some responsible for the Autologin 
problem on
Internet), and this faggot has the audacity to say that I am a joke 
for what I
do... Just what is it that I do??? ...run a Vx BBS?  ...write 
viruses???
You probably know yourself that I either tell people NOT to use 
them or throw
off the board when they ask HOW to use them, yet "Numnut" here want 
to listen
to everyone else about how lame *I* am///  Go figure... We're a 
pretty fucked
species of beings when we'll side with anything to oppose whom we 
dislike...

Isn't this similar to the general public scoffing at defense 
attorney because
they heard that the mafia thinks he's lame???  Where is the 
rational in what
this Ryan fellow is talking about?

CT> Who's trashing data?  Anyway...  Who cares what OLDTIME NuKE 
and P/S think
CT> about anything?  As if the names 'NuKE' and 'P/S' actually 
*mean* something
CT> the Big Scheme of Things.  They haven't done or said anything 
new or
CT> interesting in several months now, and sadly, the few 
independants I can
CT> think of have seemingly abandoned their respective virus 
fetishes in favor
CT> book reviews and magazine article critique, with virus-related 
stuff thrown
CT> in as an afterthought.

NuKE and P/S write viruses, but I'm the sorry motherfucker??? I 
don't have a
clue where these people get of their banana boats!

CT> OF COURSE HE'S A JOKE!  I'm a joke, too.  So are you, in your 
own special
CT>  The whole 'scene' (such as it is) is a really strange joke - 
and that's th
CT> *beauty* of it dontchasee.

Ah!  You have learned the ZEN of the virus exchange!  :)  I 
recently took
three bids from three of the most notable AV software vendors. The 
quotes I
received ranged from $14,000 to $20,000. The coverage was to 
include 50 serves
with 30-35 worstations each. Now, I don't have a problem with 
companies making
money, but this was for a government contract. OUR money is paying 
this
ticket, and we're only talking about a site license for appx. 1500 
users.
How many servers and workstations does the government have? One of 
the vendors
offered me a commission as a "gratuity" should their software be 
selected.
Again, no problem! It's illegal as hell, but that's not my point, 
nor is the
cost... "So what's the point, Mr. ARiSToTLE???" , well, I'll tell 
ya :)

"Charley Chuck-Wagon" here can't get it through his thick head that 
its all
about money! The renewal fees, upgrades, maintenace,.. whatever you 
want to
call it, range from 20%-25% of the initial or current site license 
fee.
Another called for a yearly maintenance fee! In actuality, the 
first price I
received from one vendor was $40,000.00!  Later, he cut it in half 
in order to
be competitive.

...but you watch!  Ryan will rush back and say "Nah, that's all a 
bunch of
bullshit. I asked Nowhere Man and he doesn't believe it, so neither 
do I"...

It *IS* a joke!  A reporter from PC Computing called me the other 
day and
wanted do a story... When I began discussing the political and 
economical
implications revolving around the flow of computer viruses, he want 
to know if
I had ever written any destructive code, and would I get some other 
virus
authors to interview with him... I smell an "evil virus writer" 
article
brewing, but he says, No! - Let's wait and see! I hope not... We 
already have
Sister Sara and her group... Oh, didn't ya know?  Phalcon/Sara


Have a good one Brian... Give me a ring sometime!

|02AR|10iST|15oTLE
|02N|10uK|15E|02'|1094

??? why do I still sign with NuKE ??? Cause I know it makes Nowhere 
Man roll
over in his sleep at night  :)

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By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 47
St: Local
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Mon 14 Mar 94 12:42
By: Nostradamus
To: Mike Ryan
Re: .
St:
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 -=> Quoting Mike Ryan to Cory Tucker <=-

 MR> man. You're a 111 site, why do you think the heavyweights 
haven't joined
 MR> VIRUS_NFO? All you're getting is lame ducks like Nostradamus, 
Brian

Lame duck, hmmmmmmm, what kind of a wise quack is that?  What is it 
that you
find that is lame?  Please quote what you find offensive.  Is it 
because
I believe in truth?  Is it the fact that I find find vermin and scum
such as the Hell Angel's offensive to the well being of any 
society?  Is it
that I find the homosexual nature of Rod Fewster offensive?

Please, Mr. Mike Ryan, doooo tellll.  What you find lame about 
this. And
please refrain from using this foul (fowl) language in the future. 
<G> Quack
Otherwise I'll give you the bird. DouBLe QuaCK |0  If you persist, 
I shall
have to make game of you.

NoSTRaDaMuS [DuKE 94']

PS. Have a nice day, and may the force be with you.
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By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 48
St: Local
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Tue 15 Mar 94 10:11
By: Nostradamus
To: All
Re: The Fewster Saga
St:
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 -=> Quoting Aristotle to All <=-

 Ar> ViRUS_iNFO:
 Ar> In a message from Rod Fewster to Dennis Ricketts;

 Ar> (964)   Mon 7 Mar 94 12:23
 Ar> By: rod fewster
 Ar> To: dennis ricketts
 Ar> Re: .
 Ar> St:
 Ar> 
---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
 DR>> To bring on an attempt to get some of the more vocal ones into
 Ar> an area where they can discuss the issues on their own terms, 
without
 Ar> disrupting another's echo, is the prime reasons VIRUS_NFO is 
being
 Ar> created...

 rf> Why would "some of the more vocal ones" bother ?
 rf> I tried ... and within a week of connecting to the echo 
ARiSToTLE
 rf> threatened to "expose" me in *this* echo and VIRUS as a 
"Traitor to
 rf> The AV Cause" or whatever the hell he thinks I am because I 
said that
 rf> I get on OK with most virus writers and groups as long as they 
don't
 rf> try to put shit on me.

 Ar> Why don't you reprint what *you* wrote to me in ViRUS_NFO and 
let your
 Ar> peers judge you? No cuts or editing - just exactly like you 
wrote it,
 Ar> word for word!

****** Festering Rod, you friggin L I A R ******
That tears it, I must send a copy of all Festering Rod's Posts to
the CEO of Thunderbyte.  Maybe he will terminate this rat bastard's
employment.

 DR> My trouble with all of this is the gross double standard that 
appears
 DR> to exist within the VX-AV communitys. I have a tremendous 
problem
 DR> with don't do as I do, do as I say attitudes.

 RF> Contrary to what John Buchanan would have you believe, *I* don't
 RF> have a double standard.  Through his tunnel vision and abysmal
 RF> lack of understanding of the written word (or deliberate mis-
 RF> interpretation thereof) he saw my suggestion that we try to 
correspond
 RF> in a state of mutual non-aggression as a "lack of ethics" on 
my part
 RF> ... "wanting to rub shoulders with the VX world" as he so 
succinctly
 RF> put it.


 Ar> Double standards? I don't think you have *any* standards, Rod! 
Beating
 Ar> up police officers then going for a drink with them later 
doesn't show
 Ar> me a great deal of moral fiber. Therefore, Mr. "lower 
primate", I
 Ar> choose not to associate myself with the likes of you.

Bravo ARi, Festering Rod is walking away from what he originally 
said! He is
a self admitted low life scum. Rod, discuss what you did to the 
public as a
Hell's Angel's member...Ever sell Drugs to kids you puke...YOU 
FRIGGIN low
life...Why in the Hell are the pro AV type rallying around this dog?
God help us all.

 RF> Is his childish ego really so far out of control that he 
thinks I'll
 RF> lose sleep over the fact that "The Great Aristotle" has 
launched a
 RF> campaign to convince the world that I'm a closet VXer hiding 
behind
 RF> an AV cloak of respectability ?

 Ar> There is no campaign, Rod! You are doing it to yourself much 
like I
 Ar> suspected you would, so keep talking...

                                      o o
                                    o     o
Rod--Launch on this----            /\      o
You G A Y Biker Bastard!         / /        o
                               / /       \\  o   //
                              O  O         \\ o//


... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message."
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(8220)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 49
St: Local
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Tue 15 Mar 94 22:30
By: DeathBoy
To: Nostradamus
Re: The Fewster Saga
St:
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@MSGID: 1:370/140.0 d867f4e4

Nostradamus wrote in a message to All:

 RF> Is his childish ego really so far out of control that he 
thinks I'll
 RF> lose sleep over the fact that "The Great Aristotle" has 
launched a
 RF> campaign to convince the world that I'm a closet VXer hiding 
behind

this guy is a fuckin idiot... I don't even know why you guys waste 
your
breaths....But it is hilarious to see him make a total ass out of 
himself. Hey
festerin' rod, give me some sugar, baby...

 RF> an AV cloak of respectability ?

 Ar> There is no campaign, Rod! You are doing it to yourself much 
like I
 Ar> suspected you would, so keep talking...
N>
N>                                       o o
N>                                     o     o
N> Rod--Launch on this----            /\      o
N> You G A Y Biker Bastard!         / /        o
N>                                  / /       \\  o   //
N>                                   O  O         \\ o//
N>
                                                      O^:

You kill me dude...

Adios,
  DeathBoy(NuKE`94)

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(8221)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 50
St: Local
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Wed 16 Mar 94  6:09
By: Newbomb Turk
To: DeathBoy
Re: The Fewster Saga
St:
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@MSGID: 1:13/220 26073d18

 -=> Quoting DeathBoy to Nostradamus <=-

 De> Nostradamus wrote in a message to All:

 RF> Is his childish ego really so far out of control that he 
thinks I'll
 RF> lose sleep over the fact that "The Great Aristotle" has 
launched a
 RF> campaign to convince the world that I'm a closet VXer hiding 
behind

 De> this guy is a fuckin idiot... I don't even know why you guys 
waste
 De> your breaths....But it is hilarious to see him make a total 
ass out of
 De> himself.   Hey festerin' rod, give me some sugar, baby...
 RF> an AV cloak of respectability ?

Being on the end of a few salvo's myself, I wonder what the driving
force really is behind his posts. Certainly a little anger. A lot of
Thunderbyte theatrics. Well, he cut himself out of the loop, so 
when it
comes time to whine he only has himself to blame..

Turk

... How many men does it take to mop a floor? None, it's a woman's 
job.
+-- Impeach Clinton NOW!
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By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 51
St: Local
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Wed 16 Mar 94  6:11
By: Newbomb Turk
To: DeathBoy
Re: The Fewster Saga
St:
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@MSGID: 1:13/220 26073d19

 -=> Quoting DeathBoy to Nostradamus <=-

 N> As for doing the public a favor...Get real.."Screw the
 N> public"..That's the  entrepreneur's motto.. We are all
 N> profit maximizers,  if there is a demand it will be sold.
 N> What about pornography, alcohol, handguns, rifles, knives,
 N> anarchy related material, KKK, tobacco...You don't seem to
 N> complain about  these or do you?  Do you really believe that
 N> businesses really care about public welfare over profit
 N> maximizing?  Fuck NO.  If that was the case then all AV
 N> software would sell for a dollar.  Hmmmmmmm.

 De> Ask him why they limit the amount of scan strings to be added 
in the
 De> shareware version of their product???  For the good of the 
Public ???
 De> Or for the good of their pockets :)

 (Laughing) Dennis asked him for a Key maker. If he is not so drawn 
into
 a knot over money and the TB products, then it would not matter 
who had
 a key maker....

  I'll hold my breath....

  Turk

... Dr. Kevorkian accepts The New Clinton American Distress Health 
Card!
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(8223)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 52
St: Local
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Wed 16 Mar 94 21:26
By: John Hale Jr
To: Mike Ryan
Re: Off-Topic Bull...
St:
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@MSGID: 1:370/140.0 d8c9b3b4

--> Note:
Copied (from: VIRUS_INFO) by John Hale Jr using NuKEd.

Mike Ryan wrote in a message to John Hale Jr:

MR> Most people, including me, would think Rod Fewster's message
MR> to Dennis Ricketts was good advice, but you think it was
MR> garbage because you're a BuCHaNaN BRoWN ToNGueD NeW NuKE
MR> ViRuS PuNK!!! If Dennis has any sense at all he'll dump
MR> clowns like you and Buchanan and the rest of your stupid
MR> trash puppy NeW NuKE GaNG and flush you all down the
MR> crapper. There are 10,000,000 people in the world who can
MR> write viruses.

10,000,001 You forgot me..

Hey Mike..( if that's really your name, sweetie),  get festering 
rod's rod out
of your mouth before he comes

..that could make you ill, you know...

As far as your comments go..

Come get some of this, if you think your MAN enough;
Otherwise, just take it in the ass like your buddy & like it.
   You know where I am,  I post all my info...
Lets do it, man, I'm  waiting...

MR>      sucknet"deathboy@felch.aristotle.com"
         M.Ryan@get_the_net

MR> Later PUNK!!!

The Dead Kennedys & Black Flag were my favorites, how did you know, 
lover...

MR> Mike Ryan

 is DeathBoy's lover #3

MR>  * Origin: --==[ Thunderbyte Australia ]==--
                                 ^^^^^^^^^
BOC, I should have known...

BTW My BBS is now a Internet Domain, so you can reach me there, 
O.K. so we can
set up a date.
deathboy@sanitarium.org

First you want to kill me,
Now you want to Kiss me...
  -John

+--Come give daddy a kiss right here, mikey... Mikey likes 
everything.
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(8224)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 53
St: Local
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Wed 16 Mar 94 20:56
By: John Hale Jr
To: Jeff Cook
Re: problem?
St:
+--------------------------------------------------------------------
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@MSGID: 1:370/140.0 d8c9b3b2

--> Note:
Copied (from: VIRUS_INFO) by John Hale Jr using NuKEd.

Jeff Cook wrote in a message to John Hale Jr:

 > * Origin: The Sanitarium Library(404)307-2144 <5.5Gig>NuKENET 
(1:370/140)
JC>              ^^^^^^^^^^^ See, it's already there - right after 
your
JC> PukeNet ad.
    ~~~~~~
How clever Jeff.  Did you think that up all by yourself or did 
someone help you
with the clever part...

   I just wanted everone to know where I am.
You know, I'll post the street address if you or anyone else would 
like to come
visit.  I really would like to meet you, personally. I let rod give 
me some
every time I'm in Australia; how do you look?? Maybe you would 
suffice this
time. ;)

Thought for the day: Mr. Cook,  Mr. Hale to see you...
Oh, BTW you can reach me here as well...

deathboy@sanitarium.org
deathboy@nuke.uu.holonet.net

Love & kisses, lover!!
-John

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(8225)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 54
St: Local
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Fri 18 Mar 94  5:40
By: Aristotle
To: All
Re: Ryan/Fewster
St:
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@MSGID: 1:271/13 2705c34d

According to somewhat reliable sources in Australia, Mike Ryan is 
an alias of
Rod Fewster. Supposedly, this is how Rod intends to "echofuck" 
those whom he
opposes. Absolute proof has not yet appeared, but a few of the 
sysop in Rod
Fewster's area claim that there is no Mike Ryan. but rather, Rod 
posing as
Mike...

Take it as you will, I am only reporting back what came my way.  I 
don't pay
either of the little gerbils much mind anymore...  Rod lost heavily 
in the
polls :)

I got suspicious of the dweeb when he kept referring to
Nuke/skism/independents... well hell I thought! I have been in this 
crap for
two years now and I have never heard of this turkey... Let's rattle 
some
trees - What do you reckon the rest of the world said...  "Who?"


Rod...   "Game Over"

We're 2 and 0 now... Wanna keep trying?


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(8226)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 55
St: Local
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Sun 20 Mar 94 13:47
By: DeathBoy
To: All
Re: Jeff's Manhood threatened??
St:
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--> Note:
Forwarded (from: netmail) by John Hale Jr using NuKEd.
Originally from Jeff Cook (1:150/520.0) to John Hale.
Original dated: Mar 19 '94, 20:39

 * Original to: John Hale

cc: Tim Wool

John,

Your behavior in the Virus_Info echo has been disgusting. You are 
free to
discuss on-topic issues, agree and/or disagree with anyone 
(including myself),
but...

YOUR SEXUALLY-EXPLICIT VULGARITY HAS TO GO!

I'm forwarding several of your posts to your NC, and am warning you 
here and
now...
Cut it out or lose access to this echo!
Any further comments may be addressed to me via netmail, e-mail, 
snail mail, or
voice call.
Best regards,
Jeff Cook
Co-moderator, Virus_Info

1:150/520
73252.3041@compuserve.com
(302) 732-3105 [voice]

I guess Jeff didn't like it when I asked him What he looked like. 
The following
meesages were in Fido=>VIRUS-iNNFO.
I don't think I was rude, do you??

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(8227)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 56
St: Local
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Sun 20 Mar 94 22:59
By: Brian Oblivion
To: Deathboy
Re: Jeff's Manhood threatened??
St:
+--------------------------------------------------------------------
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@MSGID: 1:388/31 28177d9f

D> YOUR SEXUALLY-EXPLICIT VULGARITY HAS TO GO!

YOUR sexually explicit vulgarity??????????

I wonder if "Mike Ryan" got a message telling HIM to tone down his 
vulgarity?
Only his <gay biker> hairdresser knows for sure.

I mean, he called everyone a cocksucker, bastard, asshole, you name 
it.  So
it would only be *fair*...  but who ever accused Cook of being fair?

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(8228)   Wed 23 Mar 94  9:00                         
By: rod fewster
To: all
Re: 57
St: Local
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Sat 12 Feb 94 15:00
By: ARiSToTLE
To: Michael Paris
Re: Reply
St:
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@MSGID: 77:816/0 2d5d437c

> Date: 9:49 pm  Wed Feb 9, 1994         Number : 165 of 166
> From: Michael Paris                    Base   : CRiS Members / 
ALL USERS
> To  : Jackel                           Refer #: 157
> Subj: Re: scanners and associat        Replies: None
> Stat: Unsent                           Origin : Local
>
>
Ja>         Hey, looks like you Pissed of ARiSToTLE,
>
> This is not hard to do <G>... all you have to do is not agree 
with every thin
> that comes out of his mouth and refuse kiss his butt. Not a hard 
thing to do.

But the problem is Mike, you had not the stones to do that! This is 
the very
reason we have a slight hatred for one another - you "SUCK UP" in 
order to get
what you want...


> ARiSToTLE has some problems, he thinks he is GOD, He really 
thinks EVERY viru
> that comes into the hands of the AV, VX, or the world has been on 
his BBS
> 'first'.. He is slowly dieing, allot of people have woke up to 
his 'games' an
> lies... I read him for a long time and found all of this to be 
true.

You, an ex-preacher, capilizing the word God and then applying it 
as if I
truly believed I was he, are a complete hypocrit now, and for 
anything you
ever once preached!

All the virus "DID" come through here, asswipe!  Where did your 
faggot hands
get a hold of them?

Games! Hell yes... and I generally win!

> You know a while ago when we first started Cris we offered to 
make him part o
> it, he just said 'are you sure' 'you don't know what peope will 
think'  'you
> will not go anywhere if people see my name' etc..  He was right, 
people knew
> where he was comming from way back then.

No, a while ago when your little shit-net was crumbling, I put it 
back
together for you. Oh, but we forgot about that, eh? Again, you 
twist and
contort the truth to make it fit your needs. So, again I will say 
that you
suck!

> 'We let' him echo in the net, kept him informed on what was going 
on (we were
> allot looser then), and the next thing we are to find out was 
that John
> started Cris and we stole it from him. <G>rin <B>ig <G>rin! 
Hehehhee what a
> lammer!

Lamer... heh, a preacher turned warez puppy turned virus-wanna-be 
turned
anti-virus-wanna-be.... Yeah, compared to you Mike, I guess I am 
really lame!

> I don't really care to tell you the truth, Nowhere man has an 
account and log
> on once in a while, and others, TM is still a NuKE member and 
echos, Radix,
> Shadow Hawk, and allot of others... hmm... yup they are here, 
Why?  Who the
> hell knows.. <G>

It's kinda like the hawks waiting for the rabbit to fuck up and 
step out of
his hole. When you do, they will eat your ass alive, Mike. Maybe 
not the kids
you just named, but you know who's watching you and who's not, and 
who among
those, really matter.

> Lame Groups?  Hmmm.. the only groups I see doing anything right 
now ... P/S
> and NuKE trailing right behind ....

Gee, you must have blinders. Your own fuckin' mob is writing 
viruses, dipshit!

> ARiSToTLE is DEAD!

heh... No you speak prophecy or make idle threats - neither of 
which are you
capable of carrying out. - Pussy!


Here is prohecy Michael - You'll never succeed in the AV world to 
any degree
because of your dealings with the underground. You are using a 
product of
another man who is too stupid to realize that you are simply 
shirt-tailing his
product in order to make a name for yourself. Some of these kids 
hate you
so bad that they will target your shit before it ever hits the open 
market.
Government contracts - heh! Not likely since you have no track 
record for
having ever completed any project you touched.

In sum Mike, you're the equivalent of a male Sara Gordon. You are 
tolerated
not really a part of anything. You'll probably be broke all your 
life, have an
ugly wife with three stupid kids, and live in some fuckin' yankee 
state doing
yankee things. Should you ever make a product, it will probably end 
up like
Integrity Master and go from commercial to freeware (pleeware) in a 
very short
period.

To top it off... "Here, LuRK on this .|.   "


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