Interview with Phardera
by Cicatrix
[August 1997]

How did you start out in computers?

I started when I was about 12 old. my first computer is XT 8086 with CGA.

How and when did you start out in the virus scene?

I got a copy of some viruses (dark avenger, denzuko, brain, and liberty) from my father and was interested about the cool payload from denzuko and liberty. but I don't have too much about computer viruses in that period. bla..bla.. and the last I found the sayha watpu and die hard viruses from my disk.bla..bla
I don't remember when I started my first virus...right now I have created 20 viruses (maybe).

Have you written viruses? If so which would you like to take credit for?

yup! I don't remember my virus names..hmmmm...bla..bla...Word.Phardera: my word macro viruses...Vesselin Bontchev make some credit for Word.Phardera in his paper (thanks VB). Phardera.Ita: this 'real' virus was written using Borland Pascal 7.0. And my best virus is Phardera.5824. This virus uses polymorphism, stealth, and a lot of antidebugging tricks. This virus is found in the wild.

How do you name your viruses?

I don't give names to my viruses...the AV community does that.

Which programming languages do you know?

Assembly (must), Basic, Pascal, and Indonesian :)

What programming language do you like using the most?

assembly, the language hackers must have!

Are you a member of a VX group?

It is difficult for me to the answer that question. In 1996 I joined in the VBB group founded by Dark Night, but so far I don't know where Dark Night is. I think VBB is a vacuum. And last I join to SLAM. But SLAM was hacked by kiddist and kicked me out (FUCK!). Now I have joined Kecoak, a Indonesian hacking group.

Which AV software do you like/respect the most? Which the least?

I think I like Dr.Web (but it is not the best).

What are your goals (VX wise)?

Make the AV cry very hard. hik...hik...hik..hik

What is your view on the continuous 'war' between VX and AV.

Oh! I like it...very 'fucking' like it!

What is your view on Virus Creation software (eg. VCL, PS-MPC etc.)?

sorry... I don't need it.

What is your view on macro viruses vs. assembly or HLL viruses?

no comment!

Have you ever confirmed one of your viruses 'in-the-wild'?

Yes...Phardera.5824. This virus description can reach from "http://www.avp.ch/avpve/file/p". AVP claim can detect this virus, but they can detect 1% from my sample (10000 sample of Phardera.5824).

Which VX E-zine do you like to most?

40Hex(?), VLAD, IR, Asterix*, and SGWW.

Which individual or what group do you like/respect in the VX world?

Group: 40Hex, VLAD, IRG, and SGWW.

Individual: Denzuko, Dark Avenger, Qark, Quantum, Methyl, Vyvojar, and LovinGOD.

In the AV world?

Eugene Kaspersky (AVP) and Igor Daniloff (Dr.Web)

Which individual or what group do you like/respect outside the VX or the AV world?

UCF (uNITED cRACKING fORCE), it is the best group about cracking I have ever known.

What is your view on destructive payloads in viruses?

It's a must for real viruses!

Do you think there is such a thing as a 'good' virus?

oh yes!

What do you do in 'real' life?

I don't know...what you think?

Do people outside the VX scene know what you do (parents, girlfriend etc.)?

Yes! my 'pretty love' girlfriend. some of my viruses dedicated to her!

Do you do other computer stuff outside VX (Hacking, phreaking, warez etc.)?

yep! I do hacking and cracking...I love it.

Should viruses be illegal? Is there a difference between creation and spreading?

Please ask a lawyer...not me...I am so lazy about that!

Describe the perfect virus.

Make destructive, can't detect, learned, and cleaned by AV (what else?)

What is your view on Windows (95)

Ask Bill 'Hell' Gates!

What is your advice for people just starting out?

Please buy a computer....and remember me :)

Where can you be reached if at all?

phardera@antisocial.com

Any greets?

I would greetings to all of virus writers in the World.

Any other comments?

Nope!

Short responses to the following names or words:

    - Dark Avenger: The legend!
    - Dark Angel: bla..bla
    - Sarah Gordon: bitch from Hell.
    - Fridrik Skulason: Are you impotent?
    - Alan Solomon: Fucking old man!
    - WordBasic/VBA: it so easy
    - VDAT: hehehehe....is the best
    - VSUM: hahahaha....is fucking shit!
    - Assembler: make my life is so easy...
    - NuKE: is life?
    - Phalcon Skism: bla..bla
    - VLAD: have dead?
    - Immortal Riot: great!
    - Trident: save our space...
    - Polymorphic: uh..i love it!
    - Stealth: oh...i need it!
    - I hate: fucking hard
    - I love: my girlfriend :)
    - Internet: make my life is fucking easy
    - IRC: bla..bla
    - Sex: Hmmm....ah...ah...ah...crooott!
    - World War 3: when?

What part of the world do you come from?

World of underground from Indonesia

What future are you planning?

Marry my girlfriend (who else?)...make the best viruses...

Are you considering joining a VX group? If yes, which one?

Yes I have considered it...Kecoak...the Indonesian hacking group (http://www.cyberjunkie/kecoak)